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Why people denigrate those who have put a great deal into the sport and championed it relentlessly I don't understand but then I suppose they seem to like those who take everything out and give nothing back.'"


It's the internet age, everyone's an instant expert - the idea of taking a lifetime to absorb and assimilate culture, knowledge and wisdom is no longer fashionable, who needs that when we have google and wikipedia?

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Quote: Leaguefan "I remember Ray French coming to a function and part of it was allowing members of the audience to commentate on a video clip as if it live,. My friend, who thought Ray French had an easy job, had a go as did several others.
Well the lesson was learned, it is not an easy task and as Ray French pointed out your preparation has to be good and the information sound. However things happen that can catch you out and then you fly by the seat of you pants.
He admitted mistakes happen, but he also pointed out that players never make mistakes as is often pointed out on these forums Exactly. People knock Hemmings yet if you actually listen to his style he is one of the best in the business.

As for French he won't go down in history as an amazing commentator, but he is a brilliant man who lives and breathes the game and has done a lot for the game.

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Internet messageboards attracts the sort of know-it-alls who were once confined to boring strangers in pubs. Criticism of presenters is one of their favourite topics. I suppose it must annoy the know-it-all that someone else has an opinion, other than their own, and is given a forum in which to air those opinions.

You only need to watch the fans' commentary on Sky football matches to see how difficult it is to commentate and what a mess of it the pub bore makes.

I wish Mr French a long and happy retirement and thank him for his decades of service to the Greatest Game.

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Quote: bewareshadows "I'd point out Ray could still tell you where each player comes from and the local Rugby scene in that area. It's a depth of knowledge that other commentators will not be able to bring with them. '"


That's all well and good, but it's largely irrelevant in commentary. It's a fast sport, and sadly, you need a fast mid to keep up with it.

As has been mentioned, the BBC have let him go on too long. That's not his fault, but the laziness of the BBC to develop another commentator alongside Dave Woods. George Riley is certainly not that, but is probably where they'll go.

Jonathan Davies was as awful as ever yesterday, so it's not an age thing.

I listened to 5Live a bit as well. Stuart Pyke was fine, Jon Wells very good but Jamie Jones-Buchanan didn't come across well at all. Too jokey and he sounded a little thick, which is a shame as he's obviously got a personality more than most have.

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I err think Ray err French was a very err nice bloke with a good err knowledge on err Rugby. I err think err he should have err quit the err commentary a good err few years ago though.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Ray French has hung up his microphone and retired from commentary.

70 years too late.'"

Do you feel proud of yourself for your lack of respect for someone that has done an immense amount for the game you supposedly like?

I don't like his commentary either, but there's a way to do it without being a d*ck. it's a testament to your character that you chose the way you chose.

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Nothing wrong with Davies, he just tells it as it is.

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Quote: marshman777 "You sad To$$er, the bloke has played, taught, and promoted the game of rugby league for decades, and has done more for the game than most.
A true legend of the game.
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Hear, hear - time has unfortunately caught up with him, as it will us all eventually, but for 2 generations of league fans he was often the voice and face of our sport. He is still passionate about the game but can no longer do the job he has done for 30+ years so it is right he packs in but he deserves a bit more respect from the people he has served.

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During the Wales game, Ray had to be corrected on the rules several times. I'm sorry, but not good enough.

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A great servant to our great game

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Quote: JonB95 "Nothing wrong with Davies, he just tells it as it is.'"


... in an interesting, articulate and committed way. He brings out the skill and excitement of the game, second only to Nobby. Be careful what you wish for - if he were to go he'd be replaced by a rent-a-cliche sleep-inducing turn-off for the neutral watcher. I don't get this incessant carping at one of our best assets.

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Never been a fan of French. In his prime he would do his utmost to mention each players connection to RU. It turned into a pet hate of mine, but I wish him well in his retirement.

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Quote: bewareshadows "I'd point out Ray could still tell you where each player comes from and the local Rugby scene in that area. It's a depth of knowledge that other commentators will not be able to bring with them. Yes his speed of delivery has waned over the years but I think that is down to the editor to sort out. They should have moved him to more of a pundit in the studio type. But maybe the face did not fit for TV.

Sky do put out a more slick performance, but they also use a lot of graphics and music to add to the output.

It's not something the Beeb have gone with, I think the output suffers for this, when people compare it to SKY.
I've not seen the premier sports coverage, so not sure what they bring to their broadcasts.
But the Auzzies bring all that too with their coverage, but there is also a more positive spin put on the game. Not just by saying it's the greatest game, but enthusiasm for the tackles and skill. It maybe fake, but they fake it well.

I think the Beeb do tend to play it with a straight bat. That comes from the Beebs culture. They are not there to promote or denigrate the game, just call it.'"


He's not even fit to be a pundit though. Yesterday he made some shocking mistakes.

Jiffy had to explain to him what a forward pass was - and he wouldn't accept it. And Noble had to explain to him the 2 men in the tackle stripping rule - and he still denied there was 2 men in the tackle despite numerous slow-motion replays. Both gave up on trying to correct him. If you don't understand the rules of the game you shouldn't be involved in the game at a broadcasting level.

It's also a bit of a myth that knowing the background of a player if something only Ray can bring to the game. Andrew Voss, commentator for Premier Sports, knows as much about each player as Ray does and he knows the rules - and his commentary style compliments the sport of rugby league.

Objectively he's just not good enough for any broadcasting role in my view. Might be a great human being but if we want to the sport to move forward we have to support what's right for the game.

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Quote: Lawrie L "A great servant to our great game

Where else am I going to hear "great bollocking" run on tv now Or even better, "he can run this 'fooker' " referring to Widnes' hooker Mckenzie...classic French

Respect for RFs achievements in RL, however a poor poor commentator, I'm sorry but he started off as very average and never improved. Eddie Waring did okay as a commentato,he just ended up lampooning the game too much.

Dave Woods, does he still not even understand the sport properly, the guy is a muppet, he can't see the bleedin' obvious, actual commentary on the game itself is just about acceptable.
JD, great, great player, as a pundit he's okay, as a co-commentator he's fooking awful, in the Italy Wales game he stated "they're in" as Italy attacked out wide only for the guy to be comprehensivly tackled in a fairly textbook tackle that was pretty clear to see was going to happen, his whiny, nasally voice doesn't help & I think he is far too negative on the whole & doesn't see everything he should for someone of his level within the game..either that or he won't say what is plainly there to see.

There's only been one great RL commentator in my lifetime & that was Keith Macklin, a god amongst sports commentators, silky smooth delivery, how/why the Beeb gave the commentary to French over him in the early 80s was and remains to me a complete mystery, an absolute disgrace in fact.

As for other non RL types, Barry Davis would have done ok for me, Tony Gubba, Cliff Morgan if only for his enthusiasm & compassion..

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Yes Keith Macklin was very, very good indeed - and I only heard him in the latter stages of his career.

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