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The Key to greatness is Longevity in the game and on that score JP is one of the all time greats.Being disrespectful to him to suggest that George is 6 times the player.If his stats are still holding up and if he is even still on the park when he is 35 then he will have done extremely well and maybe then you can hold a realistic comparison.
On this seasons stats they are very similar players although JP does get a lot more game time.Some of that will be due to the strength of the Bunnies forward interchanges.Why burn a young player out when you have quality interchanges.
JP is coming towards the end of his amazing career and i am sure he wants to spend as much time as he can in every game on the field before he hangs up his boots.

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Quote: Beverley red "I would have all four brothers & James Graham in the England squad ahead of any in super league & I am not a beliver that all thing australian are better just that three of those have been up in the top players from the start of the season Luke has come back from injury & played his way into the starting line up at the back end of the season & Tom has forced his way into the Souths side as well, add to them Widdop & the ginger from the Broncos we have the start of a good side.'"


By the Ginger one i take it you mean Jack Reed.He is out of the World Cup with a dislocated shoulder i believe.

Can see Sam,George and Luke making the squad.Not sure on Tom as he has only had a handful of interchange games at the top level.Throw James Graham into the mix and you have the makings of a forward pack that will stack up to anything the Aussies can put together.

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Quote: Beverley red "I would have all four brothers & James Graham in the England squad ahead of any in super league & I am not a beliver that all thing australian are better just that three of those have been up in the top players from the start of the season Luke has come back from injury & played his way into the starting line up at the back end of the season & Tom has forced his way into the Souths side as well, add to them Widdop & the ginger from the Broncos we have the start of a good side.'"


Never been a fan of Luke, don't think he would add more than Hill or Crabtree. Graham is a shoe in, I'd start Hill alongside him. With George and Tom/Crabtree off the bench. Add in Westwood, Ellis and Sam Burgess and that is a monster pack!

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Can Jamie Peacock not be tempted out of retirement for one last shot at winning the World Cup on home soil? Do we need him? He's been sensational recently, but with Sam Burgess, George Burgess, James Graham, Earl Crabtree and Chris Hill is he needed?

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Burgess v Peacock as a comparison is as much a mismatch as Burgess v Sinfield or Brough.
may as well be different positions, certainly different skills.

You might prefer one to the other but each is very good at what they do.

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George is certainly a monster - that YouTube video highlights that you give him the ball within 10 metres of the line, odds are he's going over (and carrying a number of defenders with him). Forwards are set to compete with the Aussies and Kiwis - although we certainly aren't going to dominate there (like we always think we will). They are more than able to handle our pack.

The issue is (and why I fear we'll feel let down come WC knock out stages) that we can't compete with the power, pace and accuracy of their backs. We're getting better e.g. Watkins, Hall.... but the level is still too far off the regular NRL star backline players. Sorry, that's the truth.

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George and Sam are shoe-ins for the England first 17, along with Graham but the other 2 are only fringe players at the moment in my opinion. Never seen Luke as much more than an average SL prop and have seen nothing more this season to change my mind. Tom doesn't quite seem to have the same impact as George at the moment but I am sure he is capable.

Interesting stat that keeps arising on George is that as well as his tries, more tries have been scored directly after he has played the ball than any other player - highlighting the impact he has when running the ball.

The comparison with Peacock is just silly - all the Burgesses could still learn a lot from Jamie and I'd have him in the 17 if he made himself available.

As for the reason we struggle vs the Aussies is mainly the big game players the Aussies have who are used to producing game defining moments in tight, intense games. Its mainly the halves that is the massive difference, in recent past, we can't compete with the game management of players like Lockyer, Thurston, Smith, Slater etc even though we can match them down the middle.

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Tom Burgess hasn't been selected for Souths this weekend so any talk of all 4 being in with a chance of the England squad would seem wide of the mark. How do we judge Luke? He's been injured for quite a bit if his time over there and wasn't anything special here.

Sam and George are shoe ins.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Tom Burgess hasn't been selected for Souths this weekend so any talk of all 4 being in with a chance of the England squad would seem wide of the mark. How do we judge Luke? He's been injured for quite a bit if his time over there and wasn't anything special here.

Sam and George are shoe ins.'"


I would agree with this.Luke is a good prop, more than capable of holding his own in the NRL as he has proved.Is he a better option than the likes of Hill,Crabtree,Mossop etc.. who he would be competing with as one of the fringe props in the squad? We are clearly very strong in the front row department.

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"It was awesome. I loved the atmosphere and hype behind the team. It's totally different to what I am used to coming from, northern England where the game is not big or anything."

How on Earth are our governing body still in a job? No wonder everybody is packing their bag and filling in their visa applications as soon as they can.'"


It's the biggest sport in (that bit) of Australia. Of course it's going to be as big an event, and everything attached to that, and much bigger than the equivalent here.

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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "It's the biggest sport in (that bit) of Australia. Of course it's going to be as big an event, and everything attached to that, and much bigger than the equivalent here.'"


I reckon thats what he meant, on a national scale in this country it isn't covered like the NRL is, which is the equivalant of football over here.And he is of course right.

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Luke has not performed better than Hill,Crabtree and Mossop this season as he has only just come back into the team and been spelled in those games as well.
Great player but not fit enough yet/. Squad player for England!!

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As a Leeds fan, I'd have taken both George and JP in my team this year icon_smile.gif

As for who's better, George edges it IMO.

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Quote: ISpeaksProperEnglish "Not surprised by this. For any one who hasn't watched much NRL this year and you would like a quick picture painted of how good he is, picture Jamie Peacock this year playing for Leeds and then times it by factor of about 6. That is how good he has been.'"

George Burgess has been great in the NRL this year and is as strong and mobile a prop as you wish for. He should be nailed on as a place in the England squad and full strength 17. Unfortunately, you should have stopped there as claiming he has been 6 times better than Peacock makes you sound a little foolish

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I'm a big fan of George, but his tackle stats are inflated by a lot of third man efforts. His and Sam's yardage is incredible, and on that area Tom was doing better than George in recent games. I'd guess Tom has lost out on lack of experience and the fact that George and Tom on the field together do reduce defensive mobility.

The youtube highlights clip is amazing, but we've yet to see any amazing tackle busts from George in the finals. He's still proving hard to stop, but when players put themselves on the line to stop him they can. As I suspect Australia will show in the WC.

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