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| Once again the legal eagle nottinghamtiger is out and about with his interpretation of rules and regulations. I hope your legal training in this area is much more accurate than all that Borders Agency advice you have been quoting for several months regarding Chase having no chance of getting a work permit.
If you are going to question the clubs you name that have, in your opinion broke this rule or that regulation, then please tell us your thoughts on the RFL giving four clubs a warning over there failure to delivery new facilities but at this moment in time I can only think of one club that seems to have not moved their promises forward.
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| Is chase exempt from the rule as he now qualifies / plays for england?
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| Quote: bezzerscr "Once again the legal eagle nottinghamtiger is out and about with his interpretation of rules and regulations. I hope your legal training in this area is much more accurate than all that Borders Agency advice you have been quoting for several months regarding Chase having no chance of getting a work permit.
If you are going to question the clubs you name that have, in your opinion broke this rule or that regulation, then please tell us your thoughts on the RFL giving four clubs a warning over there failure to delivery new facilities but at this moment in time I can only think of one club that seems to have not moved their promises forward.'"
I have no legal training in this area. However, I am capable of reading the RFL rules and counting to 6. I know that 6 is one more than the 5 non-fed players allowed. It's not difficult.
On th Visa issue, I never, ever said that Chase had "no chance" of getting a Visa. I said it was "unlikely" based on the UKBA regulations (which I even linked for your information). Out of interest, I am yet to see confirmation he has been granted a Visa.
Finally, I am no fan of the RFL. Four clubs were given warnings that should their stadiums not improve they faced the possibility of relegation. I can only assume they RFL looked at possible replacements and decided that these clubs had more issues that the ones they would replace, whether this be an even more decrepid ground, no supporters or a financial difficulty that would prevent them competing in SL. However, I don't think any of the clubs who have not made significant improvements could have complained had they been relegated, and they are lucky we are now moving back to on-field performance to decide who goes down.
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| No you are quite right you never said Chase wouldn't get a permit but you did say it had never happened before and seeing you are so so good at understanding documents and are able to count to six then when it was pointed out it had in fact happened before your understanding of documents is now not quite the solid ground you try to make it.
Here's a bit of free unqualified advise just let it go and move on it will feel better soon
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "I have no legal training in this area. '"
Whereas Dr Koukash and Salford Red Devils lawyers do.
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| Tim Smith is not exempt according to the rules.
The only thing I can think if is that Rangi Chase must be. After all, surely if you represent a country you should be allowed to play in it without restriction of its own governing body?!
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| Tbh, I doubt Koucash has any interest in things like quotas. He's pretty much made it clear that he's going to circumvent the salary cap.
And IMO I think that challenging the quota rules is a good thing. There's very little real quality players in SL and the introduction of additional teams at the same time the number of available players was reduced was a ridiculous idea on the RFLs part
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| Another idiot I see.
Koukash quite clearly stated on Thursday during our announcement that Salford have and will continue to respect the salary cap.
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| Some fans just can't bear to see anothe club enjoy some good times
Good luck Salford, I hope you can put the Red Devils on the sporting map
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "According to the RFL teams may only register 5 non-federation trained players (
Clubs are limited to five ‘Non Federation Trained’ players only."[/i
McGoldrick and Meli are exempt as they were playing in Super League before these rules came into force.
McPherson is exempt next year as an ex-Crusaders player (although he never played for them he did sign a contract to!)
However, Salford have signed.
1. Tim Smith
2. Junior Sau
3. Tony Pulatua
4. Steve Rapira
5. Jake Mullaney
6. Rangi Chase
Surely they cannot register all these players? Or am I missing something?'"
McPherson isn't exempt as a ex crusaders player. That exemption only applied for duration of first contract signed after crusaders, not for rest of their careers.
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| Quote: Code13 "Some fans just can't bear to see anothe club enjoy some good times
Good luck Salford, I hope you can put the Red Devils on the sporting map'"
This.
Nobby has the ability to whip them all into a decent shape, too, and while a whole new squad may struggle in the first half of next season, while they all get used to each others' game, I reckon at the business end of 2014 Salford may be a thorn in people's sides, and the next 2 or 3 seasons could get quite interesting.
Also it's refreshing to keep reading positive stories about RL, instead of the negatives of which we've had no shortage and will no doubt get more.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Tim Smith is not exempt according to the rules.
The only thing I can think if is that Rangi Chase must be. After all, surely if you represent a country you should be allowed to play in it without restriction of its own governing body?!'"
Not sure that any exemptions and representing a country are connected to be honest. If he gets a British Passport and takes nationality, then as an EU citizen he would be exempt from the overseas quota, but he still wouldn't be fed trained, so it makes little practical difference. Surely this would all be sorted by the RFL when the registration is made anyway or am I in dreamland here?
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| Love how everyone seems to be grasping at straws in the hope that Salford will not succeed.
Keep it going people... it's fantastically entertaining.
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| Quote: Bulliac "Not sure that any exemptions and representing a country are connected to be honest. If he gets a British Passport and takes nationality, then as an EU citizen he would be exempt from the overseas quota, but he still wouldn't be fed trained, so it makes little practical difference. Surely this would all be sorted by the RFL when the registration is made anyway or am I in dreamland here?'"
What's the point if having an overseas's quota then? Because even if a player becomes exempt the non fed rule still restricts them?
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| Quote: Code13 "Some fans just can't bear to see anothe club enjoy some good times
Good luck Salford, I hope you can put the Red Devils on the sporting map'"
Although there will be some with that view, I personally don't want Salford to fail.
The more financially stable clubs in SL there are in SL, the stronger the competition will be in my opinion. My issue is not the money they are spending, nor the players they are signing.
I was critical of Hull KR's "manipulation" of the quota and non-fed rules in the past, and would be saying the same if ANY club had signed more non-fed players than they are allowed to register. On this occasion it's Salford, but my opinion would be the same whoever it was.
This is not the place to go into detail (again) on the Visa issues. The issues can be read on other threads and we will just have to wait for the UKBA to make their decision (it has not been confirmed yet that Chase has been granted a Visa).
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