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| Tbh, the game in its present state needs to put expansion ideas on the back burner for now. We've got dropping crowds and clubs skirting financial ruin to address first. Not to mention a governing body that has come up with new ideas for the league that are analogous to monkeys flinging their poop at each other.
That's. of to say I don't want to see the game expand, far from it. However, when the foundations of your house are crumbling, that is not the best time to start start building a new conservatory on the side.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Are you that closed minded?'"
Are you that dumb ???
We tried this in 1998(?), we played Warrington in Wales in front of 3 men and his dog. Right laugh
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "Are you that dumb ???
We tried this in 1998(?), we played Warrington in Wales in front of 3 men and his dog. Right laugh
Yeah you're right. We should never try it again because it failed after being done in a cack handed way 15 years ago. How you have the nerve to call someone else dumb I'll never know.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "Are you that dumb ???
We tried this in 1998(?), we played Warrington in Wales in front of 3 men and his dog. Right laugh
Listing one example 15 years ago is hardly an example of why something will never work. I think the tactic they used in 1998 wasn't the best (one round of fixtures played in random locations with no reason why they were there). I think if they were looking to build up interest in an area, they should stick to one place and spread the fixtures over the year.
Just some other examples of on the road games:
2013 - 15,000 in Toulouse (Catalans vs Hull KR)
2009 - 18,000 in Barcelona (Catalans vs Warrington)
1999 - 9,000 in Leicester (London vs Bradford)
1998 - 7,000 in Edinburgh (London vs Bradford)
1998 - 9,000 in Swansea (Saints vs Wigan)
And in 1998, your game against Wire at Cardiff Arms Park attracted 4,431. Your home game against Wire that same year attracted 4,130.
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| Quote: Him "Yeah you're right. We should never try it again because it failed after being done in a cack handed way 15 years ago. How you have the nerve to call someone else dumb I'll never know.'"
I didn't all him dumb, I asked if he was HTH
FWIW - try it every 15 years from now until the year 3000, taking a game to Plymouth (eg) and thinking the public will magically love our sport forever is ridiculous.
Some people on here can't grasp the fact others don't like the same sport they do and never will.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Listing one example 15 years ago is hardly an example of why something will never work. I think the tactic they used in 1998 wasn't the best (one round of fixtures played in random locations with no reason why they were there). I think if they were looking to build up interest in an area, they should stick to one place and spread the fixtures over the year.
Just some other examples of on the road games
And look at the interest in the game in all the above places now, well worth the effort.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "And look at the interest in the game in all the above places now, well worth the effort.'"
Are we talking about Castleford or Wales?
When Cas aren’t playing in a hole in front of 5 men and his dog they can lecture other teams on playing in front of 3 men and his dog.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Are we talking about Castleford or Wales?
When Cas aren’t playing in a hole in front of 5 men and his dog they can lecture other teams on playing in front of 3 men and his dog.'"
Quite correct, there is zero interest in RL in Castleford
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "Quite correct, there is zero interest in RL in Castleford
There can be as much 'interest' as you want but until that translates to people in the stands and pounds in the pocket its irrelevant.
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| Quote: Urmston Wire "www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/02/27/nb-cfl-cohon-moncton-1121.html
Bear with me here...
The Canadian Football League has clearly decided that the best strategy for expansion is to target an area with road games.
Now, would this be an appropriate strategy here too? (If you scrapped Magic Weekend, I'm sure it would) Get 3 or 4 SL teams to take a home game to a large urban area across a summer, and see what the reaction is. Even better, make it a double header with the nearest semi-pro or conference team.
As an example- 2014. Get Wigan, Saints and Leeds (let's be frank, the best-known teams to a non-RL fan) to play a game each in a major urban centre not too far off the heartland- Birmingham, Nottingham, that kind of place. Get teams like Wire, Widnes, Salford playing in Stoke-on-Trent; get FC, KR, or some such playing in Newcastle, Middlesbrough. Don't just do it as a one-off, do it as a concerted effort over several years if needs be. If it doesn't work, drop it- but surely testing the water is a good way to achieve expansion, rather than just plunging in.
What do you all think?'"
To also show that sometimes expansion doesnt work.. The CFL decided on expansion in the early 90's into American cities that didnt have NFL teams.. It was a major flop as the people in america didnt want to watch Canadian Football (Very similar game to NFL with a bigger pitch of 110 yards and only 3 down to make 10 yards instead of 4).
The point is that its all well and good saying we have teams in X and Y cities but if no-one is interested then they simply wont watch it.
The CFL eventually scrapped the American teams and kept the game in Canada (Where Canada read M62 corridoor) where even tho its not as well known around the world the people of Canada love the game and have it it their hearts.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "There can be as much 'interest' as you want but until that translates to people in the stands and pounds in the pocket its irrelevant.'"
1. When you need to compare a small town and a small country, it hardly suggests your argument is the strongest.
2. Every week, i go home and away all over the country following my club and also attend most internationals held in this country. Why does that not entitle me to an opinion ??? Are only Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington etc fans allowed an opinion ??? And people say Leeds fans are arrogant.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "1. When you need to compare a small town and a small country, it hardly suggests your argument is the strongest.'" Why? Are pounds in Wales worth less than pounds in Cas? Are the banks accepting money on the basis of population size?
Quote: Cas Till I Die "2. Every week, i go home and away all over the country following my club and also attend most internationals held in this country. Why does that not entitle me to an opinion ??? Are only Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington etc fans allowed an opinion ??? And people say Leeds fans are arrogant.'" You are free to hold any opinion you want, and others are free to tell you how illogical, wrong and self-serving it is. Nobody has said you shouldn’t express your opinion, just that your opinion is illogical, wrong and self-serving. And people say Cas Fans are chippy morons.
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| Quote: Cas Till I Die "FWIW - try it every 15 years from now until the year 3000, taking a game to Plymouth (eg) and thinking the public will magically love our sport forever is ridiculous.'"
It is ridiculous, you're right. That's why NO ONE has suggested doing it.
Great strawman argument there. But can you actually argue the real points? Or are you too "dumb" to do that? (Hey, I'm not caing you dumb, just asking
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| the only way to see if there is a genuine interest in on the road games is to limit the tickets of the 2 clubs competing to just 500 each. that way you could then see how many neutrals from the area the game is being played actually turn up. my guess is that you would then see a crowd of about 1500 at a push.
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