Are Cas and London sustainable?

Its the gap between the Championship and SL sustainability, and as has been pointed out on various threads about HKR , even with 7,000 averages you still struggle

With RL prmarily a northern sport , and the reccession biting harder in the north , something has to give, even the big clubs will be posting significant losses this year

Big problems ahead

So P and R every 2 years?

Hard to argue with that.

No a team would still be promoted each year, it'd just be that the promoted team has an exemption from going down in year 1. So for example last year Widnes finished bottom but would have been exempt, so Cas would have gone down instead.

So you relegate next to bottom ?

If last years promoted team finishes bottom yes. Not 'fair' but if the teams know before the season starts they know what they need to do to stay up. It takes away the P&R issue of the promoted team just going straight back down and having to lay all the players and staff off and start again.

Widnes for example got better as the season went on last year, and are showing significant improvement this year with big names like Hock in the team...under a P&R system they'd be back in the Championship trying to re-group with a new set of players.

So 2 clubs guaranteed to go up and down in the 1 st 2 years

Not fair as you say, but in the same way as 5th place winning the GF - everyone knows the rules at the start of the season.

What about strategic teams?

So ,
Promoted team finishes bottom, a London team directly above them, a French team next best.

At what point does it start to get silly?

Said London team would have to go

It's all or nothing. The moment you slip in silly exemptions is the moment the system loses credibility. It's why we are here now. It's a sport, winners and losers. Finish bottom and you're relegated. Adapt. Get a better survival plan. If you're gonna bring back P&R instil the sporting mentality back into the game. If London finish bottom, tough crap - they're gone. And for the Capital protagonist on here - relax - tell me when London did finish bottom last?

Let's bring some credibility back into the game.

How many RL fans would travel the time it takes us to get to a home game? 1, 2, 3, 4 hours round trip or more. Oh and the home keeps getting moved on a weekly basis. £18 return train, £9 each way taxi to a ground 3 miles from the railway station. The Broncos fans who turn up are superb. Hopefully we move to Leyton Orient and get out of union territory. We do very very little marketing which needs to change. Let Barry Hearn give it a go, he seems to make a success of other sports.

One in the 1441. X

Point of order....the NRL has no P&R, supports it's expansion club (Melbourne) through additional finances and makes no bones about that their comp is a closed shop until such time that they can afford to expand further.....they are just starting a 5 year period where they are getting in excess of $200,000,000 a year for the TV rights alone.

The RFL needs to man up and take control of the expansion club London Broncos, or put them out of our misery at the next round of licencing....1,441 now delivers the Broncos a season average of 1,837 after 6 home games. This is down 35% on last year and it curently means that the Cricketing and Curry Loving CEO has managed to lose 45% of our fans in just 32 home games over 2 and a half years.....he is not qualified for the role and the RFL should look at charging David Hughes for bringing the great game of Rugby League into disrepute....he is making the game a laughing stock with his refusal to admit when he makes mistakes and his insistance that he won't spend money marketing the club.

London Broncos are a dead man walking...the RFL must act now or revert back to being a northern hobby......no doubt that will have the sponsors and advertisers rushing to sign up

Whose idea was it to play at that time on a Saturday? Clashing with amateur games and the Grand National, bit silly.