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Quote: Code13 "Until we actually pick the best player in form at halfback we will never bloody know will we

God knows what Brough has done to McBananas in the past but it must be bad.

As for centres, take Inglis out and we can match them no problem.'"


I heard a rumour that Brough had switched back to Scotland

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Senior was selected in the world 13 2 or 3 times, and IIRC won a man of the series against NZ in the early 00s. Gleeson was also very solid and was always a threat when playing for GB. Connolly was no more than average when he played against Aus/NZ, I think he scored his only try against them in his last test (?). Newlove was good when he could be d.

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Quote: Code13 "God knows what Brough has done to McBananas in the past but it must be bad.
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I don't think Brough should be in the reckoning. I don't agree with players jumping nationality after playing for a country and Brough has already played for Scotland. Maybe McBanana is of a similar opinion.

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Quote: Code13 "Until we actually pick the best player in form at halfback we will never bloody know will we

God knows what Brough has done to McBananas in the past but it must be bad.

As for centres, take Inglis out and we can match them no problem.'"



I do not think that is right.
All of the English backs have looked like Rabbits in the Spotlight when they have been run at.
They may have pace and skill but they lack the ability in defence when facing a player with similar or better pace and skill coming at them.
How many times has England not handled quality decoy runners over the years?
The fact is the Forwards will hold their own for most of the game, the backs will be what they have been for longer than I can remember and when a few are scored against them it all folds like a pack of Cards.
More Backs need to have a go in the NRL and be forged in a game that sees very few easy games or 30 minute games where the top teams can go back several gears.

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Quote: NickyKiss "How does Jack Reed go in the NRL? He had a very good four nations in 2011 but its tough to judge if he should be in ahead of guys like Atkins or Cudjoe without seeing him on a regular basis.
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He had a poor opener really, dropped ball over the line, drop ball in his own 20 conceding a try, didnt really play his best.

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Reed had a shocker tonight.

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Quote: Buggo "I do not think that is right.
All of the English backs have looked like Rabbits in the Spotlight when they have been run at.
They may have pace and skill but they lack the ability in defence when facing a player with similar or better pace and skill coming at them.
How many times has England not handled quality decoy runners over the years?
The fact is the Forwards will hold their own for most of the game, the backs will be what they have been for longer than I can remember and when a few are scored against them it all folds like a pack of Cards.
More Backs need to have a go in the NRL and be forged in a game that sees very few easy games or 30 minute games where the top teams can go back several gears.'"


I disagree to an extent and think our inability to match them in the forwards has been more of the problem than the backs. If you look at Englands defeats recently they've matched the forwards statistically, however the Aussies forwards have been so much better in 'the wrestle' and have controlled the PTB which has meant their backs hav had more to work with and crucially more time and space. England on the other hand have been working off the back of slow ball which gives the Aussie defenders more time to close down our halfs. Look at the last tri nations. Against NZ at the KC our forwards dominated and our half backs were able to execute a good kicking game compared to the NZ, whom despite having the better pairing on paper looked very ordinary. Then in the final it was the exact opposite.

I agree with our point on dummy runners. Also our forwards lack of quality movement off the ball has also been an area we get severly outclassed in. There's so much more to forward play in RL than how many meteres and tackles you make. Until we improve are all round forward play and technique it doesn't matter who are halfs or centres are.

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Quote: Sadfish "He had a poor opener really, dropped ball over the line, drop ball in his own 20 conceding a try, didnt really play his best.'"


Was hoping last year (especially the tail end) was a bit of 2nd season syndrome. He's clearly shown himself to have the quality (especially in defence) but it's starting to look like he's going to have to put more effort in to get it going again.

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Quote: JB Down Under "Reed had a shocker tonight.'"


Still a class or two above Ryan Atkins and most English centres, though not as talented as Greg Inglis, Josh Morris, Justin Hodges and Michael Jennings.

Kallum Watkins is a talent in attack but not as good as Inglis, Morris, or Hodges, nor Michael Jennings, who has lightening fast acceleration, a great swerve, and dazzling speed over 100 yards/metres.

Michael Jennings and Josh Morris will outpace any English centre including Watkins. Hodges can step inside and fend off most opposing centres. Inglis won't have to outpace any opposing centres because he will either fend them off or run over the top of them.

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Reed has got worse at centre as he's grown physically, and as a result is losing his pace. If he continues to slow down I can't see him remaining in the centres much longer.

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Quote: pocket 4's "watching Jennings play yesterday, he should not be on that list.
Yeah he's quick and elusive but looked absolutely clueless once he made the break.'"


In his main line break through he was not clueless. It was just that seeing the looming figure of Greg Inglis coming across in cover he may have panicked in throwing a bad pass to Minichiello. He will rectify that. Now that he is playing outside quality halves (Pearce and Maloney) which he did not have at Penrith, he will start to carve up opposing teams.

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Quote: django "I don't think Brough should be in the reckoning. I don't agree with players jumping nationality after playing for a country and Brough has already played for Scotland. Maybe McBanana is of a similar opinion.'"


It won't stop him picking Chase.

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Quote: tony1983 "It won't stop him picking Chase.'"


If Chase had actually played for New Zealand, that might be a valid comparison.

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Can't believe nobody has mentioned Jamie Lyon, I know he doesn't play internationally but he is the other best centre in the world (with Inglis been the other). We have nobody anywhere near the level of these two, not even close.

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Quote: nottinghamtiger "Can't believe nobody has mentioned Jamie Lyon, I know he doesn't play internationally but he is the other best centre in the world (with Inglis been the other). We have nobody anywhere near the level of these two, not even close.'"


Neither do Austrailia to be fair.

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