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Quote: Starbug "And the comp was ' vibrant ' if not completely worth winning in its own right , but now even that is being diluted , for the benifit of SL , bloody marvelous'"

It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.

I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?

Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.

I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?

Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"


Then you never will , why dont you support a different club ?

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.

I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?

Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"

Are you taking over from Smokey ........ icon_lol.gif Nah you `re way too dumb, then again, you are Smokey.

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Quote: Starbug "If its so good , I'm sure you'll be paying to watch it , as for me , yet another reason not to bother , I doubt I'll be alone'"
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Quote: Damo-Leeds "It's a two way benefit. I never heard any Leeds fans complaining when Shaun Lunt came to the club on loan from Huddersfield. Nor did I ever read about any Warrington fans complaining when Andrew Johns had a short stint over here with their club.

I think as long as a club can put 13 players on the field with 4 on the bench then I don't really see the problem?

Why not support whoever puts on a shirt for your club regardless of their contractual complications?'"


Oh dear,you just dont get it d040.gif

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Quote: Starbug "As a fan of a SL club, indeed the one in question here, I take offence at that. I completely get it, and would be well peed off in your shoes. I, and a fair few other Wire fans, think the system is ridiculous (and we're benefiting from it!), but equally there seems to be some Swinton fans who are quite happy.

As an RL first, and Wire fan second, I agree with te SL concept, and the franchise principles. However, I'd like to see a strong championship, and for the heartlands club to have an identity outside SL, and something to strive for- though rather than SL status, success in their own vibrant comp first should be the aim IMO.'"



And the comp was ' vibrant ' if not completely worth winning in its own right , but now even that is being diluted , for the benifit of SL , bloody marvelous'"


I'm not sure if you're disagreeing but that's my point entirely!

The amateur clubs have their own leagues, that people play in and watch entirely for its own ends. If a player does well in that league he might move to a bigger, semi-pro club. These amateur clubs have their own identity though.

Why can't the Championship be like that? If SL clubs have too many players for their SL team, and they need a comp for this, why can't they just have a reserve competition, like the old Alliance league?! I just don't get it. Why do they need to 'develop' these feeder clubs?

The comparison to Lunt's loan, or John's guest appearance (or Meninga or Wally Lewis before them) is daft-neither of these threatened the identity of Leeds/Wire, neither made these clubs 'development squads' for another club, neither meant that SL became an irrelevant comp.

I would love to see the game below SL prosper, and these heartland clubs, and new ones, have their own identity. SL should focus on their own lot, and leave the rest to it, and the RFL should help all in their own right.

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Quote: Toadstool "In a final nail in the coffin of Championship credibility 31 year old Paul Wood and 24 year old Tyrone McArthy are set to play for Swinton on DR at the weekend!

In total there are 8 Warrington players in the 19 man squad which means that at least 6 will be in the matchday lineup...

I thought DR was all about opening up opportunities for young player to have higher level experience so I must have obviously missed some of the details to the new structure -

a) What happened to "under 22 years old"?
b) Isn't 4 the maximum a team can have?'"


to be fair Warrington were one of several clubs to oppose the scrapping of the old system. Not our fault that we have to make the best of it now.

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This development is only been looked at by some as the worse case scenario every single time. It has not even been given a full seasons chance yet. If this does turn out to be a disaster then we'll see this new aspect of our game consigned to the history bin just like Phil Clarke's margin meter.

Give it a chance and embrace. Period.

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Quote: Derwent "Barrow don't have a link up with a SL club either.'"


Apologies, thought Barrow had been in the original post.

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I won't be putting money into the coffers of any twinned club. Especially any that abuse it like swinton have.

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if a club dual-registers 8 players like hull fc have with york, only 5 players can be played in one game

the abolishiment of the u20s has meant that some SL clubs may have fringe players who wont get games for weeks so its is sensible to send these players out on dual contracts, it works both ways, the players keep match fit and also help lower level players progress in their own game

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Having seen what has happened at Swinton, and giving thought to how the part-time Swinton players, for whom the playing money is probably pretty vital, must feel, I am now very much in the "this is NOT the way forward" camp.

The problem is quite simple though: far far too little money in the game.

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Quote: Toadstool "I think you are missing the point - from a Championship fan's viewpoint it makes a mockery of the whole season.

Only 4 or 5 teams (Fev, Fax, Sheffield, Leyth and perhaps Batley) are now genuine, stand alone clubs and the outcome of the league could be decided if one of these comes up against Swinton, York, Hunslet on a weekend when Wire, Hull or Leeds have a free weekend...

But if it is in the interest of Super League then what the hell....'"



Totally agree with your thoughts. Batley are twinned with Huddersfield. Keighley are independent.

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Quote: NtW "I'm not sure if you're disagreeing but that's my point entirely!

The amateur clubs have their own leagues, that people play in and watch entirely for its own ends. If a player does well in that league he might move to a bigger, semi-pro club. These amateur clubs have their own identity though.

Why can't the Championship be like that? If SL clubs have too many players for their SL team, and they need a comp for this, why can't they just have a reserve competition, like the old Alliance league?! I just don't get it. Why do they need to 'develop' these feeder clubs?

The comparison to Lunt's loan, or John's guest appearance (or Meninga or Wally Lewis before them) is daft-neither of these threatened the identity of Leeds/Wire, neither made these clubs 'development squads' for another club, neither meant that SL became an irrelevant comp.

I would love to see the game below SL prosper, and these heartland clubs, and new ones, have their own identity. SL should focus on their own lot, and leave the rest to it, and the RFL should help all in their own right.'"



I am agreeing with you , but just pointing out the hypocrisy of the RFL in their statement

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "This development is only been looked at by some as the worse case scenario every single time. It has not even been given a full seasons chance yet. If this does turn out to be a disaster then we'll see this new aspect of our game consigned to the history bin just like Phil Clarke's margin meter.

Give it a chance and embrace. Period.'"


When the DR system was 1 st introduced some of us suggested how it might ' evolve ' , we were ridiculed , even by SL fans suggesting even they would not be happy with wholesale squads involved in it , well now our fears have happened , so this is not like the margin meter , this is ' real ' clubs , and real fans involved here

You mention ' disaater ' , who for ? , the SL clubs who want this system , or the Championships as a stand alone ' Vibrant, worth winning in its own right ' competition ?

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