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| How is Headingley a disgrace? Combines the beautiful new stand with the traditional old terracing and old-style two-tiered seating stand. It's wonderful.
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| Quote: JonB95 "How is Headingley a disgrace? Combines the beautiful new stand with the traditional old terracing and old-style two-tiered seating stand. It's wonderful.'" Some denizens of flat pack stadia have to try and displace their upset at not being able to afford to stay at their beloved spiritual homes.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: JonB95 "How is Headingley a disgrace? Combines the beautiful new stand with the traditional old terracing and old-style two-tiered seating stand. It's wonderful.'"
I agree it is ' state of the art ' , 15% 2000,s state of the art, 85% 1920,s state of the art , it is a dump similar to Wheldon Road and Belle View, only bigger
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| Quote: Starbug "I agree it is ' state of the art ' , 15% 2000,s state of the art, 85% 1920,s state of the art , it is a dump similar to Wheldon Road and Belle View, only bigger'" Since Caddick and Hetherington took over, Leeds have spent about as much upgrading Headingley as it cost to build the Halliwell Jones Stadium. Headingley, unlike the two grounds named, meets the criteria of Framing the Future to the letter, as well as comfortably exceeding the less onerous Super League licencing criteria.
Of course, Headingley is not a brand new stadium and that has its limitations. Leeds could have sold the land for redevelopment and have had a shiny new flat pack place somewhere built for them out of the proceeds or in partnership with a developer (Leeds city council would not have built it - they are less benevolent than other local authorities it seems). But the fans wanted to stay at Rugby League's most historically important ground. So the club has to self finance redevelopment which is a much more onerous task and moves at a slower pace. As it stands however Headingley remains perfectly fit for purpose and no one who knows what they are talking about would ever really seriously suggest otherwise.
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| Quote: MjM "Since Caddick and Hetherington took over, Leeds have spent about as much upgrading Headingley as it cost to build the Halliwell Jones Stadium. Headingley, unlike the two grounds named, meets the criteria of Framing the Future to the letter, as well as comfortably exceeding the less onerous Super League licencing criteria.
Of course, Headingley is not a brand new stadium and that has its limitations. Leeds could have sold the land for redevelopment and have had a shiny new flat pack place somewhere built for them out of the proceeds or in partnership with a developer (Leeds city council would not have built it - they are less benevolent than other local authorities it seems). But the fans wanted to stay at Rugby League's most historically important ground. So the club has to self finance redevelopment which is a much more onerous task and moves at a slower pace. As it stands however Headingley remains perfectly fit for purpose and no one who knows what they are talking about would ever really seriously suggest otherwise.'"
"Most historically important ground" ?
This accolade has to go to Odsal,so iconic and important, it was "bought" by the RFL, no other groung has the same status
On a serious note, headingley is much improved but, does need an upgrade at the scoreboard end.
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| A much smaller scale, but work has started this week on the £500k upgrade of Derwent Park to get it into shape for the RLWC games. The funding is all in place and will improve the cosmetics of the stadium massively.
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| Quote: MjM "Since Caddick and Hetherington took over, Leeds have spent about as much upgrading Headingley as it cost to build the Halliwell Jones Stadium. Headingley, unlike the two grounds named, meets the criteria of Framing the Future to the letter, as well as comfortably exceeding the less onerous Super League licencing criteria.
Of course, Headingley is not a brand new stadium and that has its limitations. Leeds could have sold the land for redevelopment and have had a shiny new flat pack place somewhere built for them out of the proceeds or in partnership with a developer (Leeds city council would not have built it - they are less benevolent than other local authorities it seems). But the fans wanted to stay at Rugby League's most historically important ground. So the club has to self finance redevelopment which is a much more onerous task and moves at a slower pace. As it stands however Headingley remains perfectly fit for purpose and no one who knows what they are talking about would ever really seriously suggest otherwise.'"
So basically it has one nice shiny new stand, so it's OK?
It's got obstructions in two of the stands. And the third stand is one of the worst stand in Super League. Shallow steps. No roof. Can barely see the pitch, let alone the screen or scoreboard from certain parts.
The only reason they haven't moved is because Headingley is a great area, and lets be fair, where else is there?!
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So basically it has one nice shiny new stand, so it's OK?
It's got obstructions in two of the stands. And the third stand is one of the worst stand in Super League. Shallow steps. No roof. Can barely see the pitch, let alone the screen or scoreboard from certain parts.
The only reason they haven't moved is because Headingley is a great area, and lets be fair, where else is there?!'"
For starters, the corporate facilities trump any others in Super League - even at the brand new flat-pack football stadiums / council houses. Leeds has invested more than any other club in facilities but, understandably, they've prioritised that investment into areas that generate the most revenue - corporate facilities, retaining Test cricket, bars, conferencing, hotels and educational facilities. The revenue from these will eventually finance the new South Stand and, when YCCC are willing to co-operate, a new North Stand.
What the "roof on the away end" campaigns overlook is that the club has looked into this but, amongst other things, they found that plenty of supporters actually enjoy an open terrace on warm days & evenings. A surprising amount of Leeds season ticket holders have tickets for the Western Terrace for this very reason. Are you suggesting that those core customers should have that choice taken away from them?
Ultimately, Leeds provides plenty of choices to suit whatever tastes people have. Anyone, regardless of their club allegiance, is free to buy a ticket in any area of the ground that they choose.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "For starters, the corporate facilities trump any others in Super League - even at the brand new flat-pack football stadiums / council houses. Leeds has invested more than any other club in facilities but, understandably, they've prioritised that investment into areas that generate the most revenue - corporate facilities, retaining Test cricket, bars, conferencing, hotels and educational facilities. The revenue from these will eventually finance the new South Stand and, when YCCC are willing to co-operate, a new North Stand.
Ultimately, Leeds provides plenty of choices to suit whatever tastes people have. Anyone, regardless of their club allegiance, is free to buy a ticket in any area of the ground that they choose.'"
So money has been spent as much on cricket and ' nothing to do with RL ' than the actual watching the matches, so not actually the stadium
Choices yes, but still substandard for the sports supposedly premier club, paint it anyway you want, its still an early 20th century dump, with 2/3 rds of a decent stand at one end
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So basically it has one nice shiny new stand, so it's OK?
The only reason they haven't moved is because Headingley is a great area, and lets be fair, where else is there?!'" The reason they haven't moved is because Hetherington and Caddick came in pledging to the fans that they wouldn't move. Which reflects the complete lack of will for an all-new stadium.
Therefore the existing one has been upgraded as follows over the past 20 years:
South Stand: new roof, TV facilities; public spaces underneath gutted and rebuilt £750k (1999/2000)
Rebuilt lower terracing ~£300k (2012)
Carnegie Stand:
New build £7m (2006)
North Stand:
New roof £400k (2004)
New changing rooms, centre seating, paddock seating, public bars £1.2m (1991/92, pre Hetherington)
Western Terrace:
Learning Centre & corner terracing £400k (2004)
New scoreboard & new screen £750k (2011)
Pavilion
New build/rebuild of corporate facilities £2.2m (1993, pre Hetherington)
Pavilion refurb £300k (2011/12)
Hotel (which is owned and operated by Leeds), new shop, rebuilt car park, Leeds RLFC office block & ticket office £1.5m (2000-03).
Plus the Long Bar which remains a key matchday revenue earner and was built by Leeds but is officially now Yorkshire's property.
New pitch £1m (2012)
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Plenty of new corrugated steel on old crappy stands, as Brian Conley would say " Its a dump " , hotels, learning centres, bars for cricket matches, ' pavilion = Cricket = not RL
DUMP
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[quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm]
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| Quote: Starbug "So money has been spent as much on cricket and ' nothing to do with RL ' than the actual watching the matches, so not actually the stadium
Choices yes, but still substandard for the sports supposedly premier club, paint it anyway you want, its still an early 20th century dump, with 2/3 rds of a decent stand at one end'"
Headingley Stadium, I'm sure you're aware, is much more than a place to watch / play RL (although coincidently, you can do that from the excellent corporate facilities). It was that well before Hetherington and Caddick were involved and today, it is a venue that employs more than 350 people and generates revenue 365 days a year.
I know phrases such as "prioritisation" and "long-term planning" are dirty words in the world of RL but that is what Caddick and Hetherington have had to do - and it works. You won't find many rugby clubs in the UK (either code) generating the sort of profits that Leeds are doing in order to invest in the wider business. Those new revenue streams are financing the regeneration of Headingley today.
Or, they could have just gone cap in hand to the local authority or mortgaged the club to the hilt, built some new flat-pack stands and bought up several houses in one of the most densely populated parts of the city just so that we could put a roof on the stand, then struggle to repay the finance because they hadn't worked on developing the business and new revenue streams. Hmm, tough one.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: bramleyrhino "Headingley Stadium, I'm sure you're aware, is much more than a place to watch / play RL (although coincidently, you can do that from the excellent corporate facilities). It was that well before Hetherington and Caddick were involved and today, it is a venue that employs more than 350 people and generates revenue 365 days a year.
I know phrases such as "prioritisation" and "long-term planning" are dirty words in the world of RL but that is what Caddick and Hetherington have had to do - and it works. You won't find many rugby clubs in the UK (either code) generating the sort of profits that Leeds are doing in order to invest in the wider business. Those new revenue streams are financing the regeneration of Headingley today.
Or, they could have just gone cap in hand to the local authority or mortgaged the club to the hilt, built some new flat-pack stands and bought up several houses in one of the most densely populated parts of the city just so that we could put a roof on the stand, then struggle to repay the finance because they hadn't worked on developing the business and new revenue streams. Hmm, tough one.'"
So you admit, it is a dump ,irrelivant what other clubs have or havent done, the ' stadium ' is 2/3 rds of a new stand, 2 90 year old stands and an open terrace, it serves its purpose, but it is a dump
And if Leeds had sorted out a new modern stadium you and others would have been scathing in comments of other smaller but similar structures at other clubs, it is a dump of a sports stadium
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| Quote: Starbug "hotels, learning centres, bars for cricket matches, ' pavilion You do understand that the corporate facilities at Headingley which are owned by YCCC (essentially now the Carnegie Pavilion) are different to the Leeds Rugby League-owned ones (Carnegie Stand, main pavilion)? Some serve both but since they are constantly sold out for Super League games it's something of a moot point; in any event most of Leeds' revenue from these comes from the 345 days a year there isn't a Rugby League game or cricket test match on.
YCCC have established their own corporate team in an effort to drive non gameday business to their own facilities rather than those owned by Leeds but appear to be struggling a little.
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