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| How embarrassing that the usual suspects have got themselves all giddy with excitement at the possibility of one of our clubs struggling. Its even more embarrassing that said club, isn’t struggling quite as much as the poorly reported article first makes out.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "How embarrassing that the usual suspects have got themselves all giddy with excitement at the possibility of one of our clubs struggling. Its even more embarrassing that said club, isn’t struggling quite as much as the poorly reported article first makes out.'"
No excitement in seeing any club struggle Smokey.
When one of the "top brass" at a club publicly states that they are in a "precarious position", people want to find out whats going on and what better place to find out than on a public forum.
Castleford is a hot bed of Rugby League and although they are not one of the "big boys", RL in Cas is of far more importance than in some other areas.
Let's hope that, as some are suggesting, these are tactics being used to frighten their supporters into buying season tickets.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "How embarrassing that the usual suspects have got themselves all giddy with excitement at the possibility of one of our clubs struggling. Its even more embarrassing that said club, isn’t struggling quite as much as the poorly reported article first makes out.'"
How sad when one so passionate about our game as a whole continues to believe fairy tales and buries his head in the sand.
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| Im not sure Castleford are ‘more important’ than other areas. It’s a bit disrespectful to whichever ‘other areas’ you are talking about.
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| Quote: Salford red all over "Give it a rest you could send a glass eye to sleep.
Well really it's a 3 team league now, Saints haven't won anything since 2008, not really Big 4 material anymore
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| Quote: maurice "How sad when one so passionate about our game as a whole continues to believe fairy tales and buries his head in the sand.'"
Heres your chance to prove you aren’t a complete moron/troll/bitterwaltermittytypestarbugcharacter.
Show us your working. Tell us the facts, give us the numbers, the real and quantifiable measures that have helped form your jaundiced view
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Heres your chance to prove you aren’t a complete moron/troll/bitterwaltermittytypestarbugcharacter.
Show us your working. Tell us the facts, give us the numbers, the real and quantifiable measures that have helped form your jaundiced view'"
In good old Smokey fashion, plus I dont have the time to troll for facts, I will answer with a question. 'Please enlighten me with said facts so I can review my stance?'
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| Quote: maurice "In good old Smokey fashion, plus I dont have the time to troll for facts, I will answer with a question. 'Please enlighten me with said facts so I can review my stance?''"
so a complete moron/troll/bitterwaltermittytypestarbugcharacter then.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "so a complete moron/troll/bitterwaltermittytypestarbugcharacter then.'"
No someone who is willing to listen to your case, critique it and review my stance, please help me see those lovely garments O'Great One.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Im not sure Castleford are ‘more important’ than other areas. It’s a bit disrespectful to whichever ‘other areas’ you are talking about.'"
If you compare attendances at Cas, compared with the population of the town then I think this is totally justified.
For instance, Leeds may acheive attendances of 15,000, from a population of 450,000 ish Cas average is around 8000 from 40,000 ish.
Of course this doesn't take account of away support or, people that live elsewhere, but choose to support the team but, 1 in 5 at Cas,
compared to 1 in 30 at Leeds, so as a percentage of the popiulation it is fair to say that RL is more important to the people of Cas.
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| Fine,
Here are the facts,
We have more people watching the game as a whole, over the last 5-10 years we have seen huge increases in crowds at nearly every club.
We have gone from an RFL which was about to go pop to one with cash surpluses every year AND record amounts distributed to member clubs
We have seen new facilities finally open at S Helens and Salford, improvements at Headingley and Craven Park.
We are seeing more people watch on TV (aswell as in the stands) Which will make us more attractive come renegotiation time, and even more so now there is real competition from BT.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "If you compare attendances at Cas, compared with the population of the town then I think this is totally justified.
For instance, Leeds may acheive attendances of 15,000, from a population of 450,000 ish Cas average is around 8000 from 40,000 ish.
Of course this doesn't take account of away support or, people that live elsewhere, but choose to support the team but, 1 in 5 at Cas,
compared to 1 in 30 at Leeds, so as a percentage of the popiulation it is fair to say that RL is more important to the people of Cas.'"
That statistic is absolute nonsense to be honest with you. There are 700’000 people in Leeds, for one in five to attend Leeds would need an average of attendances of 175000 which would be by far the best attended sports team in the entire world ever.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "How embarrassing that the usual suspects have got themselves all giddy with excitement at the possibility of one of our clubs struggling. Its even more embarrassing that said club, isn’t struggling quite as much as the poorly reported article first makes out.'"
Here's a few facts for you.
The accounts at Companies House to Nov 2010 show a worrying downward trend; the land value (assuming the £2.4m in tangible assets is made up primarily from the land they own) appears propping up an ever diminishing balance sheet and increasing [inegative[/i working capital of over £2m.
That means (for those unfamiliar) the Club has accumilated a trading loss of over £2m over the years which is being propped up by their assets. However, the value of the losses is growing much faster than the value of the assets.
Assets are fine on a balance sheet but cash is king - you can't pay wages or the Revenue with lumps of clay.
In 2007 the balance sheet was worth just over £1m. In 2010 it's worth just over £350k. 2011 accounts arn't showing yet but I'm sure you can work out which way its going.
Do you want the miserable financial status' from half a dozen other SL clubs too?
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Quote: Alexs Dad "Here's a few facts for you.
The accounts at Companies House to Nov 2010 show a worrying downward trend; the land value (assuming the £2.4m in tangible assets is made up primarily from the land they own) appears propping up an ever diminishing balance sheet and increasing [inegative[/i working capital of over £2m.
That means (for those unfamiliar) the Club has accumilated a trading loss of over £2m over the years which is being propped up by their assets. However, the value of the losses is growing much faster than the value of the assets.
Assets are fine on a balance sheet but cash is king - you can't pay wages or the Revenue with lumps of clay.
In 2007 the balance sheet was worth just over £1m. In 2010 it's worth just over £350k. 2011 accounts arn't showing yet but I'm sure you can work out which way its going.
Do you want the miserable financial status' from half a dozen other SL clubs too?'"
Yeah fine, give us it.
Meanwhile, here are some facts, just for comparison with Premier League, with their promotion and relegation and all.
There have been 39 administrations since 2001 in the football league. There are 92 clubs in the football league.
The biggest club in the premier league is currently saddled with huge debts that have required a disappointing flotation as they struggle with repayments.
The current European champions lost £67m in the financial year up to the end of June, this is in addition to the £340m that was lost up to 2009, which included a loss of £141m in a single year
Man City last year posted losses of £194m
An interesting article
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-c ... per-league
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Quote: Alexs Dad "Here's a few facts for you.
The accounts at Companies House to Nov 2010 show a worrying downward trend; the land value (assuming the £2.4m in tangible assets is made up primarily from the land they own) appears propping up an ever diminishing balance sheet and increasing [inegative[/i working capital of over £2m.
That means (for those unfamiliar) the Club has accumilated a trading loss of over £2m over the years which is being propped up by their assets. However, the value of the losses is growing much faster than the value of the assets.
Assets are fine on a balance sheet but cash is king - you can't pay wages or the Revenue with lumps of clay.
In 2007 the balance sheet was worth just over £1m. In 2010 it's worth just over £350k. 2011 accounts arn't showing yet but I'm sure you can work out which way its going.
Do you want the miserable financial status' from half a dozen other SL clubs too?'"
Yeah fine, give us it.
Meanwhile, here are some facts, just for comparison with Premier League, with their promotion and relegation and all.
There have been 39 administrations since 2001 in the football league. There are 92 clubs in the football league.
The biggest club in the premier league is currently saddled with huge debts that have required a disappointing flotation as they struggle with repayments.
The current European champions lost £67m in the financial year up to the end of June, this is in addition to the £340m that was lost up to 2009, which included a loss of £141m in a single year
Man City last year posted losses of £194m
An interesting article
www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-c ... per-league
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| Quote: Alexs Dad "Here's a few facts for you.
The accounts at Companies House to Nov 2010 show a worrying downward trend; the land value (assuming the £2.4m in tangible assets is made up primarily from the land they own) appears propping up an ever diminishing balance sheet and increasing [inegative[/i working capital of over £2m.
That means (for those unfamiliar) the Club has accumilated a trading loss of over £2m over the years which is being propped up by their assets. However, the value of the losses is growing much faster than the value of the assets.
Assets are fine on a balance sheet but cash is king - you can't pay wages or the Revenue with lumps of clay.
In 2007 the balance sheet was worth just over £1m. In 2010 it's worth just over £350k. 2011 accounts arn't showing yet but I'm sure you can work out which way its going.
Do you want the miserable financial status' from half a dozen other SL clubs too?'"
Have you noticed what's been happening with the world economy lately? Do you expect SLE to be able to fix that?
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