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Gilmore played in the England Academy game at the weekend but missed the cut for whatever reason and Owens has had the combination of injuries and having to bulk up to play SL against him.
This year Widnes have given debuts to Anthony Mullaly,Alex Gerrard, Owens and Gilmore plus if you add Danny Craven and Flynn who were first team players in the championship I'd say Widnes have got a nice amount of home grown players that have played this year.
It isn't a case of teams not producing good enough players it's a case of the best players wanting to go to the teams that win trophies and therefore a kid prefering to go to Wire than Widnes because he knows which side are more likely to have sucess.
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JOHN THE REDBOY I have been a rovers fan all my life and my grandkids are as well:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47753.jpg |
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| Quote: Wales for super L "The England Academy squad to tour Austrialia has been named. There are 6 players from Wigan, 5 from Leeds, 3 from St Helens, 3 from Warrington, 3 from Bradford, 1 from Hull FC, 1 from Huddersfield and 1 from Salford.
There are no players from Hull KR, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes or London. When are these clubs going to wake up and realise the benefits of investing in youth development. I think its not coincidence these are the clubs regularly finishing outside the top 8. Maybe its time to start being a bit more forceful, something like 20% of all players wages must be spent on those eligble for U20's.'"
I can tell your welsh hull kr for the short time we have been in super league have finished in the top 8 a lot we have finished 4 -7 -7 and at the moment with still time for it to alter 7  |
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: cravenpark1 "I can tell your welsh hull kr for the short time we have been in super league have finished in the top 8 a lot we have finished 4 -7 -7 and at the moment with still time for it to alter 7 ![]()
Don't brag about finishing 7th. 7th and 8th place the very definition of average. Most on here would agree that those teams don't deserve a play-off spot.
19 of the players in our first team squad are through the academy and have ALL played in super league this season.
Maybe if you produced players of your own you might be bragging about being top of the league instead like us 
This thread is nothing to do with where you finish. It is about producing players for the England academy. Hull KR have none.
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| Quote: "Maybe if you produced players of your own you might be bragging about being top of the league instead like us '"
Very short memory- Have you forgotten the salary cap breach £400k that saved you only a few short seasons ago.
The Broncos have something like 10 juniors playing in the first team regularly (OK so they are at the bottom of the league). The regular back line of Sargeson, Channing(Wales), Caro, Dixon, O'Callaghan(Ireland) are all from the youth development.
The 9's team that are playing next week in the finals are all kids
LMS & Clubb have both broken through into Eng squads.
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| Quote: Wales for super L "Just look at the current England squad and which academy the players came through (I may have made a couple of errors here but had a go) again not one player from Castleford, Wakefield, Widnes or Hull KR. No matter what there fans try and claim the facts are there to see, they produce virtually no international players, If every club put in the same effort as Leeds/Wigan we would have a far greater pool of quality players to pick from and stand a much better chance against Aus.
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Richie Myler.
I do get what you are saying but undo feel its harsh including Widnes in this as we have been out of SL (do near enough funding ourselves) for the vast majority of the pro game. When you mention Castleford though you kind of prove you don't have a clue what your on about!
It's VERY easy to judge on one squad (you can only pick that amount) maybe look at the last 5/6 squads then start to gain a judgement?
Producing 'international players' is FAR from easy. Producing SL level players is each clubs aim and anything above that is great credit to both the club and the individual.
Plus using terms like 'effort' is wrong when some of these clubs are clearly trying very hard yet maybe just not getting the results you desire right now?
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Could someone please post the fixtures on here?
Thanks in advance.
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: wire quin "Very short memory- Have you forgotten the salary cap breach £400k that saved you only a few short seasons ago.
The Broncos have something like 10 juniors playing in the first team regularly (OK so they are at the bottom of the league). The regular back line of Sargeson, Channing(Wales), Caro, Dixon, O'Callaghan(Ireland) are all from the youth development.
The 9's team that are playing next week in the finals are all kids
LMS & Clubb have both broken through into Eng squads.
It just takes time.'"
Even in 2006 we still had around 12 players which played super league after being brought through by Wigan. |
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Could someone please post the fixtures on here?
Thanks in advance.'"
I've asked on the international forum as well mate, are you going down for some games? |
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| Quote: Sheldon "I've asked on the international forum as well mate, are you going down for some games?'"
I will depending on where they are. I would also like to help if they need it. |
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| Quote: Wales for super L "Just look at the current England squad and which academy the players came through (I may have made a couple of errors here but had a go) again not one player from Castleford, Wakefield, Widnes or Hull KR. No matter what there fans try and claim the facts are there to see, they produce virtually no international players, If every club put in the same effort as Leeds/Wigan we would have a far greater pool of quality players to pick from and stand a much better chance against Aus.
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From Wakeys point of view, Ellis and Westwood would have played had they been fit/in the country and Brough should have played. All Wakey academy players.
Throw in our development of Atkins from an early age and we aint doing bad.
So 3 of biggest/most successful clubs over the last 10 years have the largest percentage of representation at all levels?? Work that one out. Its not rocket science is it?? Man City, Chelsea & Man Utd make up the majority of the England team??
All the junior talent gets hoovered up by the big clubs with there ££'s and there relative success. It makes me laugh when certain fans bring out the look at all the xx players playing around Super League. Im involved in junior RL and know how it works. Some of the cash on offer from some of these bigger clubs is just crazy, but they are so scared of missing out on someone. Ive lost count of the number of lads who have been lost from the game after been promised the earth by these clubs. You do the math, if you take on 50 the chances are you are going to produce more than if you take on 20!
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "Could someone please post the fixtures on here?
Thanks in advance.'"
Warm up games
July 25 v Parramatta possibly at Cabramatta
July 28 v NSW u/18 TBA
The two test matches are
August 4 in Canberra @ Canberra Stadium
August 11 in Brisbane TBA
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I'll be at all four games.
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| Quote: The Eclipse "Warm up games
July 25 v Parramatta possibly at Cabramatta
July 28 v NSW u/18 TBA
The two test matches are
August 4 in Canberra @ Canberra Stadium
August 11 in Brisbane TBA
I will try and confirm those venues.'"
If you could, Thanks eclipse. Only one I could make would be Parra game. |
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "If you could, Thanks eclipse. Only one I could make would be Parra game.'"
RB, I just found out the Parramatta game is at Parra Stadium.
The NSW game is at Narrabeen. |
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I think the fact hull only has one player in general is a sad reflection of how poor jnr development in a hotbed of RL has become compared to the 1980's. Her and UFC are merging their resources to develop better jnr and academy programmes so hopefully that might change in the future.
On a side note I have to smile when people would consider a SL club that has more home grown players but misses the playoffs regularly more of a success compared to a club with fewer homegrown players that regularly makes the finals. Some of you seem to not understand the priority of a sports business!
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