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| Quote: Lawrie L "The views he expressed about a certain Sky pundit was spot on though'"
Right, as I said I didn't get chance to listen, what was said about which Sky Pundit?
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| Quote: TheUnassumingBadger "Right, as I said I didn't get chance to listen, what was said about which Sky Pundit?'"
He ripped into Stevo a lot saying that he talks about personalities rather than the game and doesn't know what he's talking about etc
To be fair to Goulding he wasn't as bad as I first feared and he raised an issue saying scrums in RL should be scrapped which is a fair call
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| He was hilarious.
"Rugby Union may be the greatest game on earth but Rugby League is played in heaven" haha classic
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| Quote: Dico "He was hilarious.
"Rugby Union may be the greatest game on earth but Rugby League is played in heaven" haha classic'"
That did raise a wry smile
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| I listened to the whole thing and the only things that became apparent to me were that we think our game is the best and the yawnion gang think there's is. The only area where they beat us is in the promotion of their game (not difficult to do as our PR is rubbish). It would help greatly if the BBC were not so blatantly pro-union and anti-league.
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| I caught Martin Offiah's contribution.
He talked a bit about being brought up on Union but playing League and summarised his position thusly, "You could say, I'm a child of two parents." It was brilliantly insightful.
I'm not sure 'Union or League - which is best?' was ever going to create the most intelligent debate, but I guess that's the nature of these phone-in shows. As a regular 5Live listener, I'm happy to say that it probably wasn't Nicky Campbell's greatest moment.
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| This whole League vs Union arguement really es me off, why can't the two codes just get on and if we are going to have a pop at another sport, make it football.
The whole League vs Union thing just makes me think of that bit on Life of Brian where they try to kidnap the emperors wife but just all end up fighting over who was here first.
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| In a strange way I hope League never becomes as popular as Union because it would then be watched by 60% of the people who have no real interest or knowledge of the game.
I always think of League as an underground elitist sport.
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| Quote: jpk3lly "This whole League vs Union arguement really es me off, why can't the two codes just get on and if we are going to have a pop at another sport, make it football.
The whole League vs Union thing just makes me think of that bit on Life of Brian where they try to kidnap the emperors wife but just all end up fighting over who was here first.'"
The only thing we 'ate more than the romans is the ****ing Judean Peoples front!
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| I'd sum up my calmly considered opinion thus: union fans are deluded idiots, union is wholly unwatchable, bbc is a union biased anachronistic pain in the ass.
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| I would agree with Dawson when he said Rugby League on tv could be portrayed differently. I think the little differences you see from teams in how they run there lines and the tactical nuance is not covered enough when you watch Rugby League.
Not everyone who watched Rugby League knows why certain plays are made and why certain players do things but I dont think the tv coverage does a good job of explaining why or showing clear examples for people to see.
I think the speed of the game probably means it is more difficult as we dont have downtime in League and there is no time when the game really stops unlike Union or NFL for instance. Whenever I watch NFL the things the commentators do after each play and each touchdown is epic. Real high end top notch stuff which sometimes only last a few secs but really breaks the play down and why it was a success or failure. If you were new to NFL and watch that you could at least get an basic understanding. If we could get stuff like that I think it would be amazing!!
The differences between say the Rugby League weekly show and the Union weekly show on Sky is quite big. The Union show is much more high tech and similar to the football shows but the League one isnt. I dont understand why not and should be addressed.
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| Quote: liger05 "I would agree with Dawson when he said Rugby League on tv could be portrayed differently. I think the little differences you see from teams in how they run there lines and the tactical nuance is not covered enough when you watch Rugby League.
Not everyone who watched Rugby League knows why certain plays are made and why certain players do things but I dont think the tv coverage does a good job of explaining why or showing clear examples for people to see.
I think the speed of the game probably means it is more difficult as we dont have downtime in League and there is no time when the game really stops unlike Union or NFL for instance. Whenever I watch NFL the things the commentators do after each play and each touchdown is epic. Real high end top notch stuff which sometimes only last a few secs but really breaks the play down and why it was a success or failure. If you were new to NFL and watch that you could at least get an basic understanding. If we could get stuff like that I think it would be amazing!!'"
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| Quote: liger05 "I would agree with Dawson when he said Rugby League on tv could be portrayed differently. I think the little differences you see from teams in how they run there lines and the tactical nuance is not covered enough when you watch Rugby League.
I think the speed of the game probably means it is more difficult as we dont have downtime in League and there is no time when the game really stops unlike Union or NFL for instance.
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He was also making the comparison that League is much better live than on tele and union is much better on tele than live. For the reasons given tele can't do justice to league but can buff up union. Does this tie up too with a recent observation from M. Sadler, where a newcomer to both found league too fast to get a grip on?
As League fans watching it on tele we can fill in the gaps. The neutral (literally) doesn't know what he's missing.
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| I think the debate was quite insightful. Mainly because it showed that those who had an open mind and watched both games, found both to be good to watch. That isn't a co-incidence.
Those who have a blinkered view and never watch the other code but somehow thought themselves capable to debate which is better came up with arguments such as "In league there is no tactical play" and "Union full-backs just kick the ball to each other again and again".
The way I see it, having played both but coming from a staunch League background, they both involve passing, kicking, running, tackling etc. etc... How can you hate one with a passion and love the other when they share such similar skills (as a game of course, discounting the social history). If you love one, you would at least find the other of some interest if you sat and tried to understand it. In saying that, the parochialism of our fans is a great element to our game, so in some ways I would rather keep that and be able to enjoy most sports myself...
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