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| Quote: Cronus "A national stadium would be fantastic, and as I said when Salford's plans came out, the RFL have missed a trick. A 40,000 stadium at Barton, right on the motorway network, build youth and other facilities, hold Championship and amateur finals there, internationals (including World Cup/4 Nations Finals), etc. Move the RFL there wholesale and bring in sports science centres and other such set-ups. Bid for concerts and other events, etc to bring in revenue.
Problem is, the Challenge Cup would always stay at Wembley and the Grand Final at OT where it pulls a 70,000+ crowd. So would a national stadium be worth it? Probably not without changing our finals venues.
Would be great, but hard to justify.'" Salford playing every other week in a 40,000 stadium in front of 5,000 people wouldn't do anyone any good. I'd keep the Challenge Cup final at Wembley and the Super LEague Grand Final at Old Trafford, but I'd look at redevleoping Odsal with the intention of holding England mid-season internationals, Challenge Cup semi-finals and maybe even the Championship Grand Finals. A stadium which guarantees 100% of the income on match days stays within the sport is vital, even more so in the present economic climate.
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| We should stick with OT for the Grand Final. I wouldn't like to see the stripe of red empty Club Wembley seats at the GF
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| Quote: BigRedV "Is the rugby league community ready to move the Grand Final to Wembley?'"
Only if they move the challenge cup final back to May or June.
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| How much would it actually cost to
a) build
b) run yearly
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| 40-50k should do. That's a realistic aim for internationals, semi finals, WCC, etc. I think if it was any bigger, it'd be a white elephant. In fact, I think the only way to stop it being a white elephant would be to share it with a soccer club. There simply aren't enough internationals and other events to justify RL having their own ground, but I do think that having a "national stadium" would have benefits.
I have to completely disagree about it having to be in Manchester. There are already too huge stadiums in Manchester. We wouldn't get any business at the RL ground as the majority of bookings would be at those grounds.
I think Leeds would be an ideal location. Huge city. No 40k+ grounds in the entire county. Dead centre of the M62. Great transport links from all over the country. And most importantly, there are a lot of RL fans on the doorstep (which is very important). If it was in Manchester or Huddersfield, you'd struggle for numbers to fill it.
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| They should sort out the sport nevermind build a national stadium.
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| Quote: George Agdgdgwngo® "They should sort out the sport nevermind build a national stadium.'"
Possibly the most unproductive and useless post I've read on here.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Possibly the most unproductive and useless post I've read on here.'"
Just be a man and admitt it Wellsy your response to that post is nonsense
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| Quote: j.c "Just be a man and admitt it Wellsy your response to that post is nonsense'"
"They should sort the sport out". How is that productive? What needs sorting? Why? How? How would a national stadium not help?
It's a throw away negative comment that means absolutely nothing.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 ""They should sort the sport out". How is that productive? What needs sorting? Why? How? How would a national stadium not help?
It's a throw away negative comment that means absolutely nothing.'"
Wrong, it's a concise statement, that clearly states that the game needs to concentrate on being better before we even remotely need to be thinking about any stadium that is purely for finals et al within RL. That you couldn't understand that & chose instead to come back with your comment is somewhat surprising.
We don't need a stadium of our 'own', our finals comparative to other games in the RL calander are so disparate in attendances that none would fill the bill anyway.
It's all pie in the sky & as the previous poster says, we should be looking at sorting the sport out, in terms of viability financially, visibility to the national populous and ensuring we have sponsors on board for all competitions for the forseeable future (that will actually pay good money for the right) before we even should be even dreaming about any new stadium for such.
Shaking down the whole structure of Red Hall & the rotten wood would be a start.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Wrong, it's a concise statement, that clearly states that the game needs to concentrate on being better before we even remotely need to be thinking about any stadium that is purely for finals et al within RL. That you couldn't understand that & chose instead to come back with your comment is somewhat surprising.
We don't need a stadium of our 'own', our finals comparative to other games in the RL calander are so disparate in attendances that none would fill the bill anyway.
It's all pie in the sky & as the previous poster says, we should be looking at sorting the sport out, in terms of viability financially, visibility to the national populous and ensuring we have sponsors on board for all competitions for the forseeable future (that will actually pay good money for the right) before we even should be even dreaming about any new stadium for such.
Shaking down the whole structure of Red Hall & the rotten wood would be a start.'"
See, now that is a good post with some actual context. "Sort out the game" isn't. It is a statement with no context and is often used by a whinger. It's like when people say "the country needs sorting out", yet they don't know what's wrong with it or how to go about sorting it out without causing more problems. It's just another tired throw-away comment. "Sorting the game out" can mead absolutely anything, and for all I know, what he wants to "sort out" could make the game worse.
Some of the things you say I agree with, however having our own stadium could help. You say that our finals have disparate attendances. But perhaps having a permanent, familiar and easily accessible stadium could make this better? Perhaps it would give us more scope for RL events? Perhaps it will give us increased income in the long run (the RU grounds make a packet for their local unions). It definitely would give us more visibility. Could make us more attractive to sponsors (the ground could be sponsored for a start).
Having your own identifiable stadium could be part of "sorting the game out".
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| At this point in time, with cash generally becoming tighter, this shouldn't even be on the agenda.
Although the RFL are now making money out of the GF and 4N, the sport is simply not wealthy enough to fund such a project.
There is nothing wrong with the situation as it is now and if the RFL wish to move either final to another venue, it is free to do so,
The only way to have a "home" would be to play all england fixtures at one stadium, where the fans are happy to pay to watch
in good numbers and the players feel get used to playing but, the down side to this would be, not taking matches "on the road" to
increase the spectator base of the sport.
FWIW, i'd go for The Galpharm, fairly central and of course the birth place of the game.
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| What the RFL need is a sugar daddie and then we can build a new stadium but until that happens we will have to stay as we are
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| Quote: cravenpark1 "What the RFL need is a sugar daddie and then we can build a new stadium but until that happens we will have to stay as we are
He'd have to be a seriously Big Daddy as we are talking 50 million plus for a 40,000 stadium or 100 million plus for 60-70000 and then it would be laying idle for 350 days per year.
Also 40000 wouldnt be big enough for GF of CC final and would be too big for our international games, therefore we should stay as we are.
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| Quote: Judder Man "I would much prefer for the RFL to have there own national stadium, maybe Odsal developed into a 70k one with temporary stadia cladding to reduce it to 30k for Superleague matches and retain atmosphere.
We,ve spent too much time second fiddle to "football stadia" locking us down into a 2nd tier sport, the RFL goal was most clubs to play in modern stadia maybe to give our sport some serious profile they should practice what they preach.'"
So Leigh Sports Village, the Halliwell Jones, Langtree Park, Stobart Stadium, Salford City Stadium etc aren't modern enough? The RFL and clubs are working on modernising stadiums, but there is no point in building any stadium with a capacity in excess of 20,000, since even the bigger heartland clubs rarely attract above that number of fans.
As other posters have said, Wembley will do. We don't have a varied enough international/cup programme to justify building another.
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