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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: just_browny "]If Leigh or Halifax go on to get spanked 82-0 in the next round, will we have a post saying 'Now is the time to stick to franchising'? I doubt it - the flatcappers would then use that as proof that P and R should be brought back too.'"
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To right you will,infact half a dozen will already have there scripts wrote in anticipation

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Quote: just_browny "If Leigh or Halifax go on to get spanked 82-0 in the next round, will we have a post saying 'Now is the time to stick to franchising'? I doubt it - the flatcappers would then use that as proof that P and R should be brought back too.'"

No it will be proof that too large a gap has been allowed to open up between the top and second levels of the game. I know of no other game where this would be allowed to happen except RL. Personally I hope London get humiliated at the Mount tomorrow. I'm surprised Kear hasn't had the fire brigade up there watering it every day. Most of their players will probably have never seen anything like Mount Pleasant icon_lol.gif

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Quote: maurice "Fev have shown, as Leigh did v Cats last year, that they could be as good if not better than the Salfords, Cas, Wakey, Widnes's of SL. Just as these clubs have shown they are not a Leeds, Wire, Wigan or saints.
Increase intensity at the top whilst expanding the game and including the ambitious heartlands and French clubs.
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An idea based on 3 cup games,where the sides from the lower division have had home advantage and before low crowds,is the blueprint for more intensity in future league games ?
A successor to Lewis has emerged. icon_biggrin.gifRUMMER:

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: maurice "Introduce it now for implementation from 2014.
Fev have shown, as Leigh did v Cats last year, that they could be as good if not better than the Salfords, Cas, Wakey, Widnes's of SL. Just as these clubs have shown they are not a Leeds, Wire, Wigan or saints.
Increase intensity at the top whilst expanding the game and including the ambitious heartlands and French clubs.
Make the call now RFL/SL and let the game flourish.'"
If you can find six viable full-time clubs currently outside Super League, then by all means. I think you'll struggle though since I don't even think that applies to the likes of Featherstone and Leigh. A Championship side putting up a valiant effort and not being absolutely blown away by Super League opposition in a one-off match isn't really of any relevance to anything.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



What's funny is that I thought licensing was supposed to 'kill the sport' at Championship level.

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I'm in favour of a second tier SL, but with P&R between the SL sides. Franchising still in place for all, but slightly lower criteria for SL2. championship teams can then find it easier to achieve the criteria to join and reach the standards needed. SL1 would be much more intensive and increase skill levels so we may finally be able to compete at international level!

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Quote: headhunter "What's funny is that I thought licensing was supposed to 'kill the sport' at Championship level.'"


Indeed, in fact I'd argue Featherstone's success is a feather in the cap of the licensing process. Had Featherstone got promoted last season, they'd have jettisoned at least half of the players that had got them so far and lost the gradual momentum that they're building up.

Rather than losing the feelgood factor as Widnes have this season, Featherstone can continue to build their business and status with a view to their eventual bid. I'm starting to take them more seriously than before now, and I get the feeling they know what they have to do and are going in the right direction.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Saint Simon "I'm in favour of a second tier SL, but with P&R between the SL sides. Franchising still in place for all, but slightly lower criteria for SL2. championship teams can then find it easier to achieve the criteria to join and reach the standards needed. SL1 would be much more intensive and increase skill levels so we may finally be able to compete at international level!'"
It wouldn't improve standards, there would be exactly the same problems as before. For that to work, you would need two divisions full of Super League clubs. At the moment, we can barely manage one.

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Quote: Saint Simon "I'm in favour of a second tier SL, but with P&R between the SL sides. Franchising still in place for all, but slightly lower criteria for SL2. championship teams can then find it easier to achieve the criteria to join and reach the standards needed. SL1 would be much more intensive and increase skill levels so we may finally be able to compete at international level!'"


You'll never get another 6 pro clubs in Rl as long as clubs like yours continue to want to keep most of the financial pie to themselves

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: j.c "You'll never get another 6 pro clubs in Rl as long as clubs like yours continue to want to keep most of the financial pie to themselves'"
So you are a Championship fan who wants his club to be given a disproportionate share of money because they can't generate it themselves and otherwise would be unable to compete? You want Super League clubs to sacrifice their own money in order to artificially raise the standards of smaller clubs that aren't good enough?

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I see the flat capping Luddites are out in force trying to make our sport elite to a few instead of open to the many, tut tut.

Keep the 2 divisions of 10 message rolling folks, it will be unstoppable soon.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: maurice "I see the flat capping Luddites are out in force trying to make our sport elite to a few instead of open to the many, tut tut.

Keep the 2 divisions of 10 message rolling folks, it will be unstoppable soon.'"
I've already given you a perfectly good explanation as to why this is not viable at the present time. Over half the clubs would not be good enough.

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: headhunter "So you are a Championship fan who wants his club to be given a disproportionate share of money because they can't generate it themselves and otherwise would be unable to compete? You want Super League clubs to sacrifice their own money in order to artificially raise the standards of smaller clubs that aren't good enough?'"


Iv'e just re-read my post and i haven't said anything like that

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: j.c "Iv'e just re-read my post and i haven't said anything like that'"
I took your post as suggesting that Championship clubs should be given money from the Super League TV contract. If you aren't suggesting that, then where do you propose that the extra money for Championship clubs comes from?

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Quote: headhunter "I took your post as suggesting that Championship clubs should be given money from the Super League TV contract. If you aren't suggesting that, then where do you propose that the extra money for Championship clubs comes from?'"


Yeah i'm saying it should come from the sky tv contract

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