I had one club and one that conveniently rose from the ashes of the departing Celtic Crusaders in South Wales.

If Scorpions weren't about I would not be a fan of North Wales Crusaders. I wish them well but just do not see them as my team. Crusaders were still an incarnation of the original club and the administration was a tester but liquidation and the name change and in effect a new club meant I had to call it a day.

Good luck to them but not my club.

Hopefully the passion is there for the SWS and you and others can help the club grow

Let's hope so.

It is going to be hard work in the rugby union stronghold that is South Wales but hopefully a promotion will help that along.

Fingers crossed.

I don't think so, it's probably the first for about 100 years though. Having said that, it's not really a derby as such, it's quite a bit further from Neath to Wrexham than it is from Hull to Warrington.

They only sold 408 season tickets last year?!

Wow they had some idiots running that club!

You got that right.

Stats like this only go to show how badly the club was being run when the new club with a bit of thinking can market a Championship 1 club better than a Super League club to potential season ticket buyers.

I'll leave it there though as those idiots aren't worth talking about.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that it's the first one for a hundred years or something daft like that. I don't think it's the first though but much more knowledgeable RL folk than me will no doubt tell you for certain.

The last derby took place on 27th December 1910.

Merthyr Tydfil beat Ebbw Vale 2-0 in front of 4,000 fans.

A penalty awarded in the 79th minute was followed by choruses of "take the f****** two" (apparently )

You can buy the season tix online and they are very cheap (£70?).

I may buy one myself even though I'm unlikely to get to any games.

Best of luck to all of the traditional teams next season in avoiding being abandoned in the league of the damned.

Bore off.

If they are good enough, they will go up. If not, they can try again next year.

The reality of the situation is that whoever fails to gain promotion to the CC will in effect have been relegated to the new CC1 national league. So out of the six teams two of them will be consigned to what is in essence amatuer rugby, so there probably won't be a 2013 for them.

You're an idiot.

How insightful.

The reality of the situation is, if they don't get promoted in 2012, they were not good enough (4 teams out of 10 were better than them), and they will have to try again in 2013 (where they will be the strongest team in a new league of 10). Thats it.