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It probably takes years for new nicknames, official or otherwise, to stick with fans. Part of rebranding is to help with things like official merchandise. In Wakey's case, the club's traditional name, Wakefield Trinity, has been in common use so long it's probably in law 'public domain' so that anyone could make scarves, shirts etc with that name and sell them without paying the club. With the copyright 'Wildcats' name that can't be done.

I don't see why tradition and 21st century branding can't co-exist. Warrington get called Wolves a lot, especially in the press, but fans old and young also call them Wire. To be fair, you do say that you personally hate the name Wildcats, whereas I think most Warrington supporters are happy with Wolves, which comes from the old town crest anyway.

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Quote: Asgardian13 " I think most Warrington supporters are happy with Wolves, which comes from the old town crest anyway.'"


I think this is what sticks in my craw. I'm not against nicknames per se, but 'wildcats' is purely arbitary and there is no link to the city or the club. It smacks of laziness and the alliteration just makes it cheesy.

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At Keighley we've had the Cougars moniker for 20 years now. It's become synonymous with the club. You don't hear in conversation "Are you off to watch Keighley (or The Rugby) this weekend?" You hear " Are you watching Cougars this weekend?".

The club have always been keen to make sure that the fans be they young, new or old understand that Rugby League didn't start in Keighley with Cougarmania. Our main supporters bar is our Hall of Fame with framed montages of all the great players (yes we've had some) who've played for the club in the past including team photos, newspaper reports and programmes from the era that they played in. It doesn't cost anything extra to go in and have a look around when there's a game on.

I know a few other clubs so something similar, Hunslet being the first one off of the top of my head. It would be nice to see a lot more clubs bring something in like that.

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Leeds Rhinos works for me but the badge is terrible.

Wakefield Trinity sounds good and the name is associated with Rugby League. The whole wildcat package is a poor one.

Wigan - OK but the mascot looks like an idiot.

Huddersfield - Same as Wigan.

I don't like Saints new badge.

Catalan Dragons and the Bradford Bulls have the best 'new era' names & badges.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "In my opinion tradition is important but so is remaining relevant. I think the vikings brand has been terrific for us, it hasn't impacted the reputation of the club but having a more marketable image is essential to hook the next generation as it has never been more difficult to entice them.

Bottom line is, I like being the a fan of the vikings. Chemicals are no longer part of the town, and whilst they will forever be part of our history I'm not that bothered about hanging on to the old nickname in an official capacity.

Don't know how people of other clubs feel but I know I'm not alone in Widnes. You will always get people moaning about bringing back winter rugby and the smell of wintergreen but change happens.

I'm more bothered about how we're treating some of the more traditional clubs as opposed to what we're calling them. Some of the new nicknames and logos are brilliant.'"


On the whole I'm not a huge fan of the rebranding, especially where there is no real tie to the adopted name (ie Bulls, Rhinos, and thankfulyl shortlived sharks), the logos are generally tacky (again Rhinos & Sharks I'm looking at you). Would much prefer the "historic" names and nicknames were kept, and am pleased that Saints, Rovers and Hull not bothered with the new names and logos, or where they did, not stuck with them,

All that said, Widnes Vikings works due to the historic presense of vikings, and the new(ish) logo is very smart, if there were more like that I'd perhaps not be quite as anti them.

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Quote: Him "At Leeds for instance, while I'd take MjM's point that Leeds' success has helped, but I would say the club has benefited hugely from the Rhinos brand since it appeals so well to kids. The Ronnie the Rhino mascot is perfect to attract the interest of kids and you can see the results by the amount of kids attending Leeds games and being involved in the various kids schemes at Leeds that bring in vital revenue throughout the year. Also of course kids don't go to games on their own, they take an adult with them even more revenue. The focus on marketing the club to kids could only have worked with a child-friendly mascot backed up by the Rhinos identity.
It simply wouldn't work with a half-d approach of just producing an artificial mascot out of nowhere that has no obvious connection to the club. Ronnie the Rhino wouldn't work if the club was still called Leeds RLFC with the old City of Leeds crest as the badge. '"

The club had plenty of young fans before it became Leeds Rhinos, and crowds now are not IMO disproportionately larger than they were in the pre-Rhinos days before the team started winning things. Having watched the implementation of the Rhinos name, I would use exactly that phrase - it was half-d. They came up with a totally inappropriate name, then got themselves a logo, got a mascot, chanced upon someone who could create a character inside the rhino suit and, bingo, that was the rebranding done.

Since then they have done a fair amount with it, but I have seen little evidence that it is totally reliant on the Rhinos name - although removing it now would be impossible as it has managed to become associated, one way or another. Plenty of clubs in other sports have worked with mascots without renaming the entire club to suit. Leeds, along with the rest of SL in 1996/97, were caught up in the clearly foolish idea that an appendage to the name would change everything. It required, and requires, a lot more work than that as Bradford and Keighley showed.

The SL names which continue to stand out are Rhinos, Wildcats, Warriors and, arguably, Vikings which seem incongruous and undistinguished for some of the game's finest clubs. Pre-Giants Huddersfield weren't much of a club to begin with so I won't include them in that.

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Leeds Rhinos - Goes well with the club, it has really stuck well, as well as separating themselves from Leeds Utd and Carnegie. Badge is a bit poor but hey ho.

Bradford Bulls - Rolls off the tongue well, club colours are incorporated well, similar to Leeds.

Huddersfield Giants - Again the club colours remain in tact, seems to have stuck quite well with the fans.

Warrington Wolves - Like someone mentioned previously this has not just been slapped upon Wire but is quite historical and is all around a good bit of branding.

London Broncos - Does it matter what they're called? Nah, OJ but this club more than any need a strong identity in London and I think Broncos has stuck with the club.

Widnes Vikings - Once again I think this suits the club well, similar to Huddersfield in many ways.

Wigan Warriors - There is no 'Warrior' as part of their logo, think the Warriors part could easily go and no one would be bothered.

Salford City Reds - Don't see how this benefits the club really, but it's not really an 'offensive' name to hear or see, but I suppose some branding is needed.

Cas Tigers - Were known as Tigers long before Super League AFAIK? Black and Amber obviously go well will the branding, all in all a very good package.

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Quote: bren2k "As someone cleverer than me once said, "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."'"


Love that quote!

Rugby League has never been held back by tradition or history. It shouldn't start now.

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Quote: bren2k "Those who object most to the modernised monikers and suchlike, seem to do so based on personal dislike rather than any factual or objective reasons; '"
Although I reject the OP's assertion that we are tossing aside history, the blanket inverse response that all change has to be good is equally stupid IMO.

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