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| I agree with many of your points but how bad was Cudjoes pass inside against Leeds
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| Quote: Code13 "Atkins is big, strong and pacy. So is Cudjoe
Difference is Atkins is a defensive liability and can't pass.
Cudjoe is excellent in defence, has great hands and is a good finisher, he also isn't afraid to pass to his supporting players
If Cudjoe hadn't impressed you, you haven't seen him play.'"
Ryan Atkins - 23 games, 21 tries, 12 assists, 2113 metres from 244 carries, 61 tackle busts, 20 clean breaks, 278 tackles, 10 missed tackles, 4 penalties conceded
Leroy Cudjoe - 26 games, 6 tries, 9 assists, 1911 metres in 292 carries, 45 tackle busts, 7 clean breaks, 485 tackles, 29 missed tackles, 11 penalties conceded
The stats for 2011 dont lie, granted Cudjoe has made more tackles (although this could also be down to Huddersfield defending more as a team than Warrington), but other than that he isnt anywhere near. Atkins scores tries at a good rate, makes more metres, has a higher average of metres per carry, more assists, more tackle busts, more clean breaks and given away less penalties.
Therefore, I think my opinion between the 2 is fairly justified
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| Quote: Code13 "Atkins is big, strong and pacy. So is Cudjoe
Difference is Atkins is a defensive liability and can't pass.
Cudjoe is excellent in defence, has great hands and is a good finisher, he also isn't afraid to pass to his supporting players
If Cudjoe hadn't impressed you, you haven't seen him play.'"
I think Atkins’ passing game has come on considerably this year. He was poor last year’s 4 Nations, no doubt, but it is also clear that he has worked hard on his game over the past 12 months and he certainly has all the physical attributes
Personally, I would have had Atkins in the squad (not saying over Cudjoe directly)
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| On that last line I agree
And I definitely agree Atkins should also be in the squad too
The problem with stats is they are meaningless without context. Given Atkins has been the beneficial recipient of THE best attacking TEAM I can remember seeing in Super League it's not surprising his stats look so good.
I'd be prepared to wager that if the Giants form hadn't been so awful for the last 3 months then Cudjoes stats would have been as impressive. What is impressive about Cudjoe is that his form didn't dip with the teams and he carried on his excellent work.
I'd also day Cudjoe is much much safer under the high ball
He has definitely earned his spot, and as I said, I agree Atkins should also be there ahead of a few others. Hell
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| George Riley tweeted that Ryan Atkins asked not to be considered for selection, so it's not much of an issue.
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| Quote: wakey_saint "For me, Peacock has been average this year'"
Perhaps for the part of the season he was regaining his fitness, but not in the latter two months. His GF performance was phenomenal and one of the main reasons why Leeds are champions. Nearly 200 metres in a GF shows he is not average.
I would take Atkins over Cudjoe.
Maybe a few too many Leeds players in but I doubt all of them will be first choice picks.
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| Will Danny Brough flip back to Scotland for the next World Cup?
I agree he's been out of form, but worth having him the squad and a no brainer once Lomax pulled out.
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| Quote: Big Ask "Will Danny Brough flip back to Scotland for the next World Cup?
I agree he's been out of form, but worth having him the squad and a no brainer once Lomax pulled out.'"
People were on here moaning about Chase being picked because he'd played for the Exiles (who arn't even a test team, they're like the Barbarians of RL), yet most would be happy for Brough to be picked despite playing several games for Scotland in the past. Seems like hypocrisy to me.
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| Excited to see what Reed, Jones Bishop, Chase and Heighington can bring to the squad and to see the continued development of guys like Briscoe and Widdop.
Guys like JJB, Sinfield and McIlorum shouldn't be in but none would really let you down (need more then that though). I think a couple of you get guys in Mossop and Houghton are very unlucky to miss out and Luke Robinson also.
I'm one of the few that backs Ryan Baileys inclusion. He's not the best prop option available and he's a grade A moron but he can hopefully do a wind up job on a few of the Aussies. Seem to remember him getting to them the last time he turned out for GB.
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| Some odd selections and ommissions. MoM in the Grand Final omitted?
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| Usual problem - we'll get destroyed by Australia's centres.
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| Quote: Dally "Some odd selections and ommissions. MoM in the Grand Final omitted?'"
He is injured.
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| Quote: Wigg'n "He is injured.'"
He is also the one Leeds player that should be anywhere near the squad
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| Quote: roughyedspud "cos they are half blind idiots
the kiwis have only won here twice in 11or12 games since 2002'"
They are still a better side than us though and on paper you would back them to win.
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| Code13 - are you saying that only Burrow out of the team that beat Wire at their place when it counted, and then went on to win the GF desrve a place in the squad? Should there be more Quins or Wakey players maybe? Very odd.
Anyway, for those complaining about the number of Leeds players I can't see more than Hall, Peacock and possibly Sinfield (depending on team structure) being first choice. Almost all the rest will be backup only - McGuire, Bailey, BJB, JJB and Ablett I would guess are behind others, at least to start?
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