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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Hopie "The structure of the championships next season should have been in place before the current season even began - the RFL knew one team would be leaving to join the SL and should have anticipated the team kicked out would want to join the championships
can anyone justify it not being decided yet, if you need a lot of time to decide then start earlier
if you wanted to kill off the second and third tier, the current attitude would certainly help!'"
Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: headhunter "Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.'"


Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?

Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?

They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up

They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't

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Quote: Starbug "Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?

Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?

They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up

They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't'"
Hang on, you are complaining at them for not announcing the new structure of the lower leagues because they dont have the necessary guarantees in place at the moment, whilst at the same time criticising them for announcing a restructuring without having the necessary guarantees in place at the time?

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: SmokeyTA "Hang on, you are complaining at them for not announcing the new structure of the lower leagues because they dont have the necessary guarantees in place at the moment, whilst at the same time criticising them for announcing a restructuring without having the necessary guarantees in place at the time?'"


We don't need a restructure , we just need more clubs , and the current clubs need help , not gimmicks

As I said they announced a restructure in the hope something would turn up , but what they hoped would turn up hasn't , now they haven't enough clubs to restructure , something definate for a changed would be nice

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Starbug "Well if they didn't for see it who did , Toulouse leaving is an RFL decision ?

Similarily with the Crusaders , you seriously don't think they didn't know the financial position months before the licence decision ?

They hoped that one or two expansion clubs would have financial backing to enable them to join the Championship , it would appear there is. ' interest ' , just no money to back it up

They announced a restructuring in the hope something would turn up , it hasn't'"
So what would have happened if they had announced a structure based on the assumption that Toulouse would be leaving the Championship and Crusaders would be entering, and then Toulouse had performed better and decided to stay or Crusaders had gone bust and disappeared altogether? Answer: they would have had to scrap the announced structure, we'd be in an argubly worse position than we currently are in and the whole thing would be a complete mess.

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Quote: Starbug "We don't need a restructure , we just need more clubs , and the current clubs need help , not gimmicks

As I said they announced a restructure in the hope something would turn up , but what they hoped would turn up hasn't , now they haven't enough clubs to restructure , something definate for a changed would be nice'"
You ever wonder why there were no clubs, none at all, none since London Skolars 8 years ago and none in the 108 years before that who wanted to make the jump from the amateur leagues to the semi-pro ones?

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Quote: headhunter "So what would have happened if they had announced a structure based on the assumption that Toulouse would be leaving the Championship and Crusaders would be entering, and then Toulouse had performed better and decided to stay or Crusaders had gone bust and disappeared altogether? Answer

You aren't listening/reading properly , it was the RFL that decided Toulouse wouldn't remain in the Championship , as for the Crusader issue , that is irrelevant , we are discussing new , more clubs , not existing ones ( especially ones that have been doomed from the start ) , they should either have checked up on suitability from the start , or been positive and be prepared to finance a club themselves

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Quote: Starbug "You aren't listening/reading properly , it was the RFL that decided Toulouse wouldn't remain in the Championship , as for the Crusader issue , that is irrelevant , we are discussing new , more clubs , not existing ones ( especially ones that have been doomed from the start ) , they should either have checked up on suitability from the start , or been positive and be prepared to finance a club themselves'"

We are discussing more, new clubs, but even you cant be so dumb as to not understand that they will be joining existing clubs and to decide the structure for a league including more, new clubs, you need to know how many old, existing clubs you are starting with.

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Quote: headhunter "Presumably they did not foresee Toulouse leaving the competition, or the problems Crusaders would suffer. If it was as simple as you are making out, obviously things would have been sorted by now, they haven't just not acted for no reason.'"


you should set a deadline for clubs to apply, it shouldn't be a month before the end of the season!

you have a mixture of options in mind and then choose one of them depending on the number of applications, it's not difficult

less than a certain number of clubs would have meant one division, more than that means two and various fixture structures could be used to make sure the clubs have enough games to keep the clubs going

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Quote: SmokeyTA "We are discussing more, new clubs, but even you cant be so dumb as to not understand that they will be joining existing clubs and to decide the structure for a league including more, new clubs, you need to know how many old, existing clubs you are starting with.'"


Yes , so the answer would be to stop meddling about artificially putting clubs where they shouldn't be in the first place , then you wouldn't be in this mess

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Quote: Starbug "Yes , so the answer would be to stop meddling about artificially putting clubs where they shouldn't be in the first place , then you wouldn't be in this mess'"

We arent in a mess. A miserable old goat known for moaning about insignificant things, moaning on forum isnt a mess.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "We arent in a mess. A miserable old goat known for moaning about insignificant things, moaning on forum isnt a mess.'"


Well I'm glad to see he acknowledged the ' Frustration of the fans ' , and praised the ' patience ' of the clubs , that would suggest that neither are happy about the situation

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: Hopie "you should set a deadline for clubs to apply, it shouldn't be a month before the end of the season!'"
Why? What would this achieve, other than forcing rushed decisions and potentially losing clubs for no particular reason?
Quote: Hopie "you have a mixture of options in mind and then choose one of them depending on the number of applications, it's not difficult

less than a certain number of clubs would have meant one division, more than that means two and various fixture structures could be used to make sure the clubs have enough games to keep the clubs going'"
Great, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the RFL are currently doing, although I'm pretty sure the number of divisions is not an issue at all.

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Quote: headhunter "Why? What would this achieve, other than forcing rushed decisions and potentially losing clubs for no particular reason?
Great, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the RFL are currently doing, although I'm pretty sure the number of divisions is not an issue at all.'"


No it does the opposite , you set a deadline , if that deadline isn't met , you make the decision and any interest has to then be considered 12 months on

The number of divisions is a huge issue , at the moment we have two fairly competitive leagues with all but 4/5 clubs having something to play for up to the last couple of weeks of the season , change that to one league and you'd have 50 percent with the season over by the 5 th round , a bit like SL icon_lol.gif

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