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Quote: PHIPPS "
Ok so you may get many thousands turning up to watch a game there but Port Moresby itself is little more than a poverty stricken crime ridden slum. This place makes places like Leeds, Hull and Bradford look like paradise.'"

The way you have described it reminds me alot of Brazil. These factors have prevented them from becoming a strong footballing nation right?

Quote: PHIPPS "Agreed. PNG won't ever be able to support an NRL team and neither will the island nations. It's a shame but that's the way it is. The best thing would be for NRL clubs to open up RL academies and scouting networks in these places. The Jamaica RL are trying to set up a similar thing at the moment. What these nations would benefit from would be regular home international fixtures.'"

Dont compare PNG to the Pacific island nations, they have a population of over 6.7 million, probably more than all the pacific nations combined.

This can be done, but like I said, they should have had a team or two in the Q Cup years ago....

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Quote: Saddened! "Good to see. I would love to see a PNG team in the NRL, I think they are so deserving of it. But where would they play and where would the money required to run it come from?'"


PNG gonvernment putting $20 milion in to build new stadium

Loads of australian mining companies in PNG as sponsors for the national sport

Sellouts each week

NRL TV grants

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Quote: Chief Wigan "The way you have described it reminds me alot of Brazil. These factors have prevented them from becoming a strong footballing nation right?

Dont compare PNG to the Pacific island nations, they have a population of over 6.7 million, probably more than all the pacific nations combined.

This can be done, but like I said, they should have had a team or two in the Q Cup years ago....'"
I know what the population is. Despite that, it has a far lower HDI than any of the island nations, or indeed Brazil. PNG is a third world country. No foreign players or coaches in their right mind would ever live there. The idea of an NRL team based there is a complete pipe dream. It's more realistic in the island nations and even then that's a complete fantasy.

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Quote: headhunter "The best thing would be for NRL clubs to open up RL academies and scouting networks in these places.'"



To be fair, there are scouts and informants there already. If a kid shows massive potential, they normally end up in Oz or NZ anyway, with a flight, a job/school and accommodation sorted for them.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I got shot down for saying this should happen on here.

They love RL and that stadium would be full every week as long as they keep ticket prices at a decent level.

Huge step for the game and surely PNG will be just as good if not better than England after some time.

Maybe we need Tonga, Samoa and Fiji to get a club now to grow the game down under.

They won't struggle for talent in PNG, so many people play the game, once they get their scouting system working efficiently they will have a quality team.

If they do pull off this 30k stadium then I would to see Origin played there and some more international fixtures, it would be amazing for the game.'"


i agree 100%

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I'm interested in Gallop's shift in comments from looking at 2013 for expansion to maybe not rushing into it and mentioning 2015 as another possible date.

This will give more teams a chance to bid for the next expansion spots, but must be frustrating for clubs who were led to believe 2013 would be the go as long as two years ago, like Perth and Central Coast. They're practically sitting there set up waiting for a nod already.

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Quote: Chief Wigan "They should have started with a team in the Qld Cup years ago. I would love to see it happen, but if it were to happen next season for example, would there be a single local player in the team (if it were to be an NRL standard team)????'"



there was one way back

PNG wont get in now it will be perth and brisbane now


but 2020 they can be an excellent chance

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Quote: headhunter "Agreed. PNG won't ever be able to support an NRL team and neither will the island nations. It's a shame but that's the way it is. The best thing would be for NRL clubs to open up RL academies and scouting networks in these places. The Jamaica RL are trying to set up a similar thing at the moment. What these nations would benefit from would be regular home international fixtures.'"


LOL RL is the national sport of PNG

of course it can support an nrl team

if cronulla can support an NRL PNG can easy lol

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Quote: dally messenger "LOL RL is the national sport of PNG

of course it can support an nrl team

if cronulla can support an NRL PNG can easy lol'"


Dally, there's nothing wrong with a bit of optimism, in fact, if they could work it, it might be fantastic.

Unfortunately, PNG is one of the world's very poorest nations. Who is going to want to sign for them and live there? If the answer is nobody, how are they going to be competitive with only PNG nationals? The crowds might be big, but what ticket prices are they going to be able to afford and what kind of sponsorship are they going to be getting in comparison to the others? How will this convert to finances?

It sounds like a none starter.

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Give PNG a Qld Cup side, and give them time to get a youth system, and a scouting system, they'd be ready in about 10 years from now. 2020 would be a good date.

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I was fortunate enough to be able to discuss their bid with one of the people who put it together and from that discussion I am VERY confident they could easily compete in the NRL by the end of the decade. The bid is comprehensive and deals with all of the issues raised by people who write them off. Some of the details are as follows:

Finance:
The PNG government will buy the TV rights from the NRL for the same amount as the NRL currently receives from New Zealand TV and then on-sell it or put it on its national broadcaster. This will mean the club will more than pay its way in the NRL's eyes. Its club grant back to the club, depending on what the club grant is by then, will be LESS than they will receive from PNG.
The club already has a string of sponsors, including Coca-Cola Amatil as major sponsor and Holiday Inn, Airlines PNG, as well as local media, insurance and legal companies and a motor dealership chain. That's before they even get a team.
They will be the highest supported club in the NRL and should fill the stadium for every game.
The cost of running a club there is lower than an Australian club because things like wages and other costs are very low locally. Even local player contracts need not be high because the NRL minimum wage is a relative fortune in PNG.

Logistics:
The government will help build a new stadium on the edge of Port Moresby based loosely on the Gold Coast's 27,500 capacity Skilled Park stadium.
The stadium precinct will feature hotel accommodation in which visiting teams and auxillary people like referees and media people will stay and train during their visit.

On-field:
The club has no real intention of signing players from Australia in any great number. They believe they have the talent in PNG but just lack the development structures to bring them from under 14s and 16s level up to Toyota Cup and NRL level. And NRL structures and money would allow that to happen.
They have reintroduced the game to schools and implemented a talent identification system (as the OP's story suggests) to start the process of developing local talent.
A year or two in the Queensland Cup will aid the process but they don't want to be put in the Q Cup and just left there forever.

In return the government sees the club as the pinnacle of a social and economic policy to improve things like health and education, unite a country that is more culturally and racially diverse than most, give people from PNG opportunities to succeed in sport and bring investment to the country. The government will help fund its plans through mining royalties as that industry continues to grow in the country.

Benefits to the NRL and RL in general:
Millions of dollars per year for TV rights to PNG.
A whole new talent pool which will not dilute the standard of Australian clubs like other new clubs do.
An increased audience in a new market (one that the AFL can't boast).
New sponsors to the game.
A club that can boast a fand base of anywhere up to seven million people in a country where the bulk of the population is under 25 years of age and growing rapidly.
A professional structure to develop PNG players to professional standards which will improve the Kumuls team significantly at Test level.

Benefits to PNG:
A team that unites all the people of the country regardless of racial, cultural or tribal divides.
A catalyst to engage children in school. When RL was reintroduced school attendance went up 50% among boys.
A vehicle for health campaigns, such as the anti-AIDS campaign the Prime Minister's XIII game already promotes.
Economic benefits related to construction, on-going administration, exposure to international audiences etc as well as to the people who directly profit from player and staff wages.

The bid is well thought-out and ensures the club will be viable and sustainable. All it needs is the green light from the NRL so it can really kick-start the process, such as stadium construction and major player development work. If that happens the club should be ready by 2020 or even before.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "Dally, there's nothing wrong with a bit of optimism, in fact, if they could work it, it might be fantastic.

Unfortunately, PNG is one of the world's very poorest nations. Who is going to want to sign for them and live there? If the answer is nobody, how are they going to be competitive with only PNG nationals? The crowds might be big, but what ticket prices are they going to be able to afford and what kind of sponsorship are they going to be getting in comparison to the others? How will this convert to finances?

It sounds like a none starter.'"


sure PNG is poor

but is everyone poor there?

RL is the national sport, a nation of 6 - 8 million

the government will back it heavily

i think it would be a massive success

a Qld cup side is the key to determine it ...a good Qld cup side and id give them a spot

and if finances are stil an issue the NRL could advance an extra $1 - $2 million to the club for the good of the game

they have a goldmine of junior talent which we have yet to tap properly

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Quote: ECT "I was fortunate enough to be able to discuss their bid with one of the people who put it together and from that discussion I am VERY confident they could easily compete in the NRL by the end of the decade. The bid is comprehensive and deals with all of the issues raised by people who write them off. Some of the details are as follows

wow great post

didnt know most of that

if the govt will pay for the TV rights like that the NRL would be stupid to say no

basically we get an NRL team for free, expansion paid for the the PNG government

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