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I think there is a problem in the way the figures are calculated, it appears that Sport England take a figure of those playing regularly as those who play at least once a week. Now I know plenty of people who, due to work & family commitments, don't play once a week but would still describe themselves as regularly playing rugby league since they might play every other week and still end up playing a significant number of games for an amateur club yet wouldn't be included in the "playing regularly" figures for Sport England.

It's also interesting to note that Rugby Union have also sufferred a similarly sized funding cut from Sport England. I wonder if it is simply a way to reduce funding from Sport England to all/most sports so as to cut the cost of Sport England to the government.

It's also interesting to note that we aren't far behind Union in terms of funding from Sport England, they received under £30m for 4 years and the RFL received £24.5m. Obviously the extra £5.5m would come in very handy though.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Be interesting to see the results of the switch to summer. Absolutely massive gamble by the RFL and i don't think they've put enough thought into it. Amateur clubs don't have the facilties SL clubs have, they can't water down pitches. Most amateur RL clubs facilties are very poor (especially compared to union amateur). Also hundreds of amateur teams (my old club included) lose their pitches to cricket in the summer. Where are thse clubs going to play. What will we do if we don't have rain for a couple of weeks and the grounds are rock solid.

I fear it is a massive gamble switching to summer and the game could lose many participants'"

I can't agree there, I think it is a big step forward in terms of increasing participation, especially at junior/youth level. Yes there are issues over hard grounds in summer, but there were issues over hard grounds in winter, plus the pitches shouldn't get as ripped up when playing in summer compared to winter so should be easier to maintain.
It's also important to note that no clubs are being forced into playing in summer, there will still be a winter competition.
There are probably more issues for open age teams than for youth teams, but at youth level I think we will see a big increase in the amount of kids playing RL. I know that we often get about 2-3 times as many kids in the summer than we do in winter and it's far easier to teach kids & keep their concentration in warm weather than when it's freezing cold and they can't pick a ball up properly.

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Quote: Bull Mania "The RFU got a reduction around the same a couple of months back.
Be interesting to see the results of the switch to summer. Absolutely massive gamble by the RFL and i don't think they've put enough thought into it. Amateur clubs don't have the facilties SL clubs have, they can't water down pitches. Most amateur RL clubs facilties are very poor (especially compared to union amateur). Also hundreds of amateur teams (my old club included) lose their pitches to cricket in the summer. Where are thse clubs going to play. What will we do if we don't have rain for a couple of weeks and the grounds are rock solid.

I fear it is a massive gamble switching to summer and the game could lose many participants'"


don't agree. we're seeing numbers up at the minute at my club side having started playing summer this year. I anticipate a few transition issues but we've union lads who are loving RL and a few will stick with league over union come the interim season I think.

Also, from those who have experienced switching to summer (london league in the main) they report that they've not had games called off for hard pitches. given we lost weeks worth of games this winter just gone and whole months of games the year before due to frozen AND waterlogged pitches I personally expect less disrupton at our club in the summer season.

of course, it all comes down to individual clubs and their own circumstances. However, the RFL ahve put a huge amount of planning and thought into the switch for a number of years now. just don't believe whats written in the League Express on the matter!

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Quote: mmp " just don't believe whats written in the League Express on the matter!'"

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Quote: Thoth "Not sure about your source of data here is the data for the SE APS over the same period.

Swimming -7%, Football no change, Athletics +21%, Cycling +4%, Golf -9%,Badminton -5%, Tennis -17%, Equestrian -2%, Squash/Racketball -2%, Bowls -18%, Crciket -4%, Rugby Union -26%, Basketball -17%,Netball +18%, Boxing +12%, Table Tennis +52%, Mountaineering +29%, Snowsports -13%, Hockey -13%, Sailing -22%, Weightlifting -43%, Canoeing +15%, Gymnastics -20%, Volleyball -16%, Rowing -31%, Taekwondo +12, Rounders -7% Judo +11, Fencing -35%.

In terms of active participation over the same period rugby league has gone from 19th to 28th the biggest drop by any sport. This and the above figures clearly show, (discounting bowls) out of the top 10 sports only 1 had decrease of 10% or more. Only weightlifting suffered reduction anything like RL has reported.

Traditional summer sports sports that do not involve much expense seem to fair best but there is not a clear pattern. Since the figures vary so widely SE figures do not sound dubious but the previous figures of certain sports certainly look doubtful.'"


will have to go back and look, just remember thinking it strange at the time that there seemed to be a group of what i'd call more prominant sports (RL one, looks like RU and also tennis) that had drops that i couldn't think of an obvious explanation for. as i say, was looking at them out of curiosity rather than reading too much into it.

when you say 'previous' figures - did the sports provide a figure for their own baseline position or is the methodology for the above figures the same for every year?

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Quote: Saddened! "Should this decision not be taken as a vote of no confidence from Sports England in the RFL? Richard Lewis is nothing but a salary taking nodding dog, he contributes nothing. We've failed to meet participation targets resulting in the sport losing £1m in funding, he has presided over a farcical round of franchise applications which will see the league just as weak as it ever was and has delivered a TV deal that is lower than the one signed in 1995 when you factor in inflation. The referees in place are also absolutely horrific.

The international game is still a farce, we still aren't showing any signs of being competitive internationally and all the expansion franchises (Bar Catalans) have been utter failures.

Yet people still say he's good for the game? Convince me.'"
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