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| Quote: Him "Just to make Wheels' day...
The Chris Joynt incident didnt deserve a penalty. Discuss.'"
To me a voluntary tackle is one of those offenses which should not be penalised every time. It is not important enough to pull up every single time, just like a slight offside, holding down or an incorrect ptb. Instead the referee should warn the team not to do it again and should only blow for repeat offenses.
Therefore, Joynt is spared from being the man whose actions wrongly decided a whole season's worth of RL fixtures.
Now the case is closed we can move on.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "We all know a voluntary tackle is when a player hits the deck and stays down without being touched, but I w as wondering what people's thoughts are about when there's a short kick off with a few seconds to go and the defending team catch the ball, then run it backwards and straight into touch. Should this be deemed a voluntary tackle? If they caught it and kicked it out, no problem, but to catch it and run out is voluntary. I just think it may have a different outcome if the defensive side is penalised.
What are your thoughts?'"
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "We all know a voluntary tackle is when a player hits the deck and stays down without being touched, but I w as wondering what people's thoughts are about when there's a short kick off with a few seconds to go and the defending team catch the ball, then run it backwards and straight into touch. Should this be deemed a voluntary tackle? If they caught it and kicked it out, no problem, but to catch it and run out is voluntary. I just think it may have a different outcome if the defensive side is penalised.
What are your thoughts?'"
1) it's not a tackle. voluntary or otherwise.
2) they are penalised - by a scrum with head and feed going to the opposition
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| Sam Tomkins is the king of the voluntary tackle, goes to ground like a good un.
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| could be wrong but im sure a wigan player just fell on a ball on his line and stayed down without being touched with hull players pointing it out to the ref late on in the 86 cup final.no pen was given then,and ive never seen one given since anyway.
it is cheating in my eyes,but then so is a forward pass and players feigning foul play at the play the ball,and a lot of that goes unpunished
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| Quote: joburg "Sam Tomkins is the king of the voluntary tackle, goes to ground like a good un.'"
He certainly doesn't like being tackled does he? As soon as a hand is laid on him he hits the deck.
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| I'm not sure now if it was clear what I was on about.
Should someone who catches a ball from a kick off and deliberately runs/carries the ball into touch for no other reason than to use up the remaining few seconds of a game, be penalised for doing so. Almost as you would for a voluntary tackle.
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| Quote: Ovavoo "When Chris Joynt deliberately fell to the floor, without a hand being laid on him with about 10secs to go. Brafurt should have had a penalty from a kick-able spot and would have won the game.
One more victory for the masters of sly St Smellys.'"
Interesting theory, could provoke a lot of discussion.
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| I think that the voluntary tackle should be enforced, also deliberatly pushing the ball out of play behind the touch in goal should be penalised. My reasoning for this is (in my opinion) that the players of both sides should be required to keep the ball & their selfs in play at all times. diving to the ground just over the try line stops the player being pushed back into goal or touch it also prevents a one on one ball steal it kills off variables in the game. It is also my opinion that a player should make all eforts to control the ball in the in goal & attempt to return the ball into the field of play. It is for the same reason I would penalise a ball kicked dead in goal. As barrie Mac keeps saying keep the ball on the island.
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| to illustrate the point I was thinking about. Have a look at the Warriors v Tigers game in the NRL today and see how that finishes.
Should there be a penalty?
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "I'm not sure now if it was clear what I was on about.
Should someone who catches a ball from a kick off and deliberately runs/carries the ball into touch for no other reason than to use up the remaining few seconds of a game, be penalised for doing so. Almost as you would for a voluntary tackle.'"
Yes I think all players should be compelled to keep the ball in play at all times & should be penalised for not doing so. Players who drop the ball well down field after they have been brought back by the refs whistle should also be penalised. Every time a second is wasted it is a second that we fans have paid to see & it may be the second that your team may have needed to save or win a game.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "I'm not sure now if it was clear what I was on about.
Should someone who catches a ball from a kick off and deliberately runs/carries the ball into touch for no other reason than to use up the remaining few seconds of a game, be penalised for doing so. Almost as you would for a voluntary tackle.'"
How can you penalise someone when they are not breaking any of the laws of the game?
And, if the question is should we change the rule – no. Our game is based on possession of the football and If possession is so vital in the last few seconds of a game then the team needing it should be innovative about gaining it
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| Quote: Dunbar "How can you penalise someone when they are not breaking any of the laws of the game?
And, if the question is should we change the rule – no. Our game is based on possession of the football and If possession is so vital in the last few seconds of a game then the team needing it should be innovative about gaining it'"
Yep, fair call Dunbar.
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| I was outraged that my thread was ever locked in the first place. What were you thinking of?
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| Quote: Chris Joynt "I was outraged that my thread was ever locked in the first place. What were you thinking of?'"
I know, it was never even a voluntary tackle in the first place.
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