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| Just what have people got against draws? A RL game is 80 minutes. If you can't win in that time then you don't deserve to. You might as well play first to 40 wins or something.
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| Quote: af "The crazy thing is appealing to tradition in a game that brought in limited tackles within living memory. We are the innovators, let's keep innovating.'"
I understand the limited tackle, even remember the 4 tackle option but what you are suggesting is just 4ckin daft.
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| Not so daft. Soccer uses an effective half goal for the side that scored the most away goals, cricket similar with the Ashes - Strauss's side only had to match Australia to keep the trophy, thanks to the achievements of Vaughan and a number of different players. If this is such a daft idea, we'd be seeing better arguments against it. Only one I can see is that too many fans will irrationally hate it because they're Luddites.
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| there is no risk/reward issue with it. That would be my issue. It requires no skill, no ability, nothing.
I think we would be better looking at opportunities for more/less points to reduce the number of draws, For example 3 point conversions than 0.5pt handicap for the away side.
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| Quote: af "Not so daft. Soccer uses an effective half goal for the side that scored the most away goals, cricket similar with the Ashes - Strauss's side only had to match Australia to keep the trophy, thanks to the achievements of Vaughan and a number of different players. If this is such a daft idea, we'd be seeing better arguments against it. Only one I can see is that too many fans will irrationally hate it because they're Luddites.
The difference is football only uses away goals for a tie over 2 legs when there has to be a winner because it's a knockout competition. Regular league matches never have this condition to them. I mean I can't remember Spurs beating nal a couple of weeks ago because in the fixture before they scored more. They got a draw. you know, that thing you're trying to make out that football doesn't have?!
For knockout competitions where football would use the away goal or extra time rules Rugby League already use the golden point so there are no draws. Just look at the challenge cup matches and play off games. For matches in the league football has draws. just like we do in rugby league. How are you not getting that there are differences in the competitions and Rugby League already have golden point which is used in the same circumstances that football would bring in those daft away goal rules etc?
And in cricket that was in a test series. Rugby league already have this. hence why when we drew the series with the Kiwis not too many years ago we actually got the trophy, because NZ actually had to beat us to take it rather than drawing the series
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| Football has to put up with draws because the nature of it makes it a regular occurrence. Our scoring system means they are rare and they cannot be played for. They don't need to be part of our game.
Of course I understand the requirement for a result is not the same for a league match as in a cup competition. But that doesn't preclude a result on the day being a desirable result. In the end, I don't think the joy the team that scores last to gain the draw equals the disappointment their opponents feel, in the same way it does in a win-lose situation. To help maximise audience satisfaction, the draw should be eliminated.
It's common to bash Aus/US innovations, but we all know they tend to be successful and we tend to take them on. NRL tries to minimise draws, as I understand it most US sports have overtime. We could benefit from thinking along the same lines.
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| Nothing wrong with a draw which is I believe a fairer result that having a winner by golden point
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| Quote: af "What's wrong with a draw? While the game itself may be entertaining, the conclusion is unsatisfying for many. I don't think it has a big impact on attendances, but given that this solution is free to implement, I don't think the size of the impact has to be great for the change to be worth making.
Really, this is an equivalent to the away goals rule in soccer, a rule introduced for entertainment driven purposes and one seldom if ever questioned now. You might not like it being term as half a point so let's put it another way. The home side starts with the points. The away side has to get them off them by beating them. If they can't do that, the points stay with the home side. Of course, I say points, we would only need a point a win in this system.'"
To suggest that something has a solution implies that there is a problem in the first place – the vast majority of people on these boards agree that draws are a fair result in the majority of situations and, by very definition of being close contests, are usually good games
The away goal in football is not a good analogy – these were introduced to stop away teams playing for the draw and penalties (and hence very boring games). I cannot recall seeing a Rugby League team playing for a draw with a defensive based game
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Draws are usually good, for 79 minutes and 59 seconds. But it's not just me who thinks there's a problem with them.
If only I'd been born one hundred and ten years earlier, I would have suggested this at the George and you'd all be poo-pooing anyone who suggested getting rid of it. Born in the wrong century and the wrong country by the looks of it, the Seppos have the right idea - a tie is like kissing your sister ( I don't have a sister, I'll have to take their word for it).
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_(draw)
I don't doubt RL can survive keeping the draw. I think it could have survived not bring in the 40:20. But that's not a reason not to bring either of those rule changes in.
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Draws are usually good, for 79 minutes and 59 seconds. But it's not just me who thinks there's a problem with them.
If only I'd been born one hundred and ten years earlier, I would have suggested this at the George and you'd all be poo-pooing anyone who suggested getting rid of it. Born in the wrong century and the wrong country by the looks of it, the Seppos have the right idea - a tie is like kissing your sister ( I don't have a sister, I'll have to take their word for it).
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tie_(draw)
I don't doubt RL can survive keeping the draw. I think it could have survived not bring in the 40:20. But that's not a reason not to bring either of those rule changes in.
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| Quote: af "Draws are usually good, for 79 minutes and 59 seconds. But it's not just me who thinks there's a problem with them.
If only I'd been born one hundred and ten years earlier, I would have suggested this at the George and you'd all be poo-pooing anyone who suggested getting rid of it. Born in the wrong century and the wrong country by the looks of it, the Seppos have the right idea - a tie is like kissing your sister ( I don't have a sister, I'll have to take their word for it).
You are a loony , or more likely just a wind up merchant
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| Golden point is the way forward.
Imagine our game against Saints at Cardiff or our game agains Leeds away going live on sky sports into extra time golden point. It would be a great advert for the game, people would hear about it on SSN and turn over.
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| Quote: af "Draws are usually good, for 79 minutes and 59 seconds. But it's not just me who thinks there's a problem with them.
If only I'd been born one hundred and ten years earlier, I would have suggested this at the George and you'd all be poo-pooing anyone who suggested getting rid of it. Born in the wrong century and the wrong country by the looks of it, the Seppos have the right idea - a tie is like kissing your sister ( I don't have a sister, I'll have to take their word for it).
I'm finding this hard to believe.
Finally we have a forum moderator who appears to have more than 2 brain cells to rub together.
I've thought for a long time that we should be getting rid of draws in our sport.
Thank god finally someone else agrees with me.
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| Quote: Starbug "You are a loony , or more likely just a wind up merchant'"
" and after four tackles, you just... hand it over? You've not dropped it, you've not kicked it away, you have to give it to the opposition? Are you on crack?"
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| Stupid idea. What's wring with each team gaining a point? It also makes the league more exciting with draws gang teams a point.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
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SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
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| Quote: Odemwingie "Golden point is the way forward.
Imagine our game against Saints at Cardiff or our game agains Leeds away going live on sky sports into extra time golden point. It would be a great advert for the game, people would hear about it on SSN and turn over.'"
No it isn't , if you want a drop goal fest , watch RU , league games don't need a definite result , cup games do
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