How one eyed are the Wigan fans on here? Its got nothing to do with playing hard its the techniques that you use that are potentially very dangerous. When Hull played hard against you we were branded as thugs and Willie Manu was hung drawn and quartered for daring to hurt little innocent Sam Tomkins. Or is it only Wigan that are allowed to play hard?

Exactly. They just cannot see any truth in it. When you have a stream of established league professionals and journalists (Most who haven't got any reason to be bitter towards Wigan) come out and say the same thing you would think they would at least entertain the idea. It's not about getting numbers into the tackle or being physical, its about deliberately using and coaching techniques that are likely to injure the opposition players.

Another example of Wigan's desire to win hurting the spirit of the game was Hampson running in front of Foster when he was about to make that kick on Friday. You could see he was sent on with specific instructions to do that.

tell us when you start doing that and we'll all have a look.

I think that is the bit where it is going wrong

I'm a bit intrigued by this. I'm a Wigan fan and so I probably am biased towards my team, I'll readily admit that. As fans of other teams, is the issue that Wigan are tackling too aggresively or that we are supposedly intentionally trying to hurt players? If the latter then shouldn't there be a long list of players out injured after playing against Wigan in the last year and a bit? I've seen plenty of poor/dangerous/aggressive challenges against our players in the last year, does that mean other coaches are sending out their players to injure Wigan players?

wilkin got hurt by it, and spoke up before it happened again, and you lot pilloried him.

Fair play, although I would suggest that Wilkin was over exaggerating and didn't seem to be injured. Rugby League is a tough game played by tough players, injuries happen and that is unfortunate, but I don't think I've recently seen an injury caused by a Wigan player who went out to deliberately cause an injury? Lima in the Millenium Magic games was out of order, I'd suggest that the chicken wing on Soliola (think it was Soliola?) was a very bad challenge (can't be called a tackle imo) and he was rightly banned because of it. Had there been challenges like Newton on Long then I'd be the first to agree, but I just haven't see this intent to cause injury.

You might not have done, but do you not think it's a tad suspicious that so many experienced professionals have said it? It's not like it's just one journalist, his work is basically a wrap up of what so many have said since Maguire has been here, and a lot of them haven't been made directly after a defeat to Wigan either so there is little to suggest it's just bitterness.



Mick Potter isn't one to get into mind games or politics either.

Of course it is suspicious, but surely because of the suspicion and interest it would have been proven by now, and we'd have a long list of injuries to point at and say "Look what Wigan players have done!". Just because people are saying something en masse doesn't make it a fact. I can see very little difference in the way we have defended this year (other than we haven't been as good ) and the way we defended last year. Yet last year the talk was about Wigan lying on, not Wigan trying to hurt players. The only difference I can see is that Lima (rightly) got banned for a chicken wing and then a lot of people used that to claim Wigan are trying to hurt players. I think we'll have differing opinions on the challenge on Clarkson, I think it was on a player that was still moving forward, not held and was above the knee, but in someways that's irrelevant as he was found guilty, banned and so missed another game. So that's two incidents in which a Wigan player (the same player) has put in what has been found to be a dangerous challenge and has been banned. Does that mean that Wigan go out to deliberately injure the opposition players?

If you provide some facts and figures to suggest we injure more players than other teams, then ill start to listen to this argument, at the moment its all hearsay and strikes me as bitterness towards Wigan boiling over like usual.

All maguire has done is bring some NRL tacking techniques to SL, the SL is always playing catchup because it wont innovate, just criticise. England RL will get thrashed in the Autumn partly due to this.

So again I point out the fact that this is why the aussies are so far ahead of us, because we are unwilling to grasp new tactics and any time a new tactic is introduced we are quick to say we don't want that in our game. Well, if these new defensive tactics help us beat the Aussies we should use them! They are not outlawed within the game and personally I feel alot of them are fictional nonsense anyway!

Champions 2010! Maguire doesn't need words to shut the media and the likes of you up, he does his talking on the pitch and lets his coaching do the talking- Champions 2010!

Miss, Jeff Lima just threw his pencil at me but Michael told him to do it.

As numerous Wigan fans have said. If we're going out to deliberately hurt players then we're either really crap at it or it isn't our intention at all otherwise there would be a long list. Surely Jeff Lima would have ended someone's career by now if he was what people are saying he is??

How long was he on the floor being treated or out injured?

Maybe we should just go back to the Newton style tackling, that would suit everyone I suppose!

There are certain 'teqnuiques' which are outlawed in the rules and rightly so, because they are dangerous. Chicken Wing being an example of that. Other examples would include a high tackle. Do you all suggest any team which commits a high tackle are accused of deliberatly trying to injure opponents?

Wigan's defensive tactics involve getting numbers into a tackle, all teams do that, they involve trying to slow the play the ball down by holding a player up to increase the length of time between contact and the tackle being deemed complete. All teams try to do that, just we do it better than most, Huddersfield are on a par.

To suggest an entire team takes to the field of play with the sole intention of injuring opponents is ludicrus. If a coach was really intent on doing this i doubt he would get one or two professional players onside never mind an entire team. Also if this was the case, as mentioned by others there would be a large number of serious injuries everytime Wigan take the field, this simply is not the case.

If/when a player does overstep the mark he will get penalised and banned as Lima has proved, however it is more a case of a player getting tackle wrong than premeditated intent.

I have seen a number of chicken wings, grapple tackles and other incidents on sky's televised games this year. Why is it that people are only interested in the couple of incidents ONE wigan player has done?

The only TRUE evidence of a SL coach threatening to instruct his players to intentionally injure/hurt opposition players has been Nathan Brown in his post match interviews.

Twice. Last season and a few weeks ago.

What action has been taken against this