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| Quote: Cronus "Here's a hint
You're right. It was a disposable comment. Though I do wonder why from a pure sociological point of view, why football and its associated variants from their origin were played in winter to begin with? It's dark, depressing, "less warm" than in the summer months, so why? Why has it taken 100 years in our game, at least, to go this is not working.
From a personal perspective, rugby in winter gives us something to do. It gives us activity and focus through barren months. A distraction from schooling and work - something to look forward to.
The summer by contrast is full of activity in and of itself; the lure of holidays, days out, resting, tranquillity, a casual kick about, I wonder how many amateur will miss out on playing rugby because of trips away, going abroad, or just basic desire to enjoy life without any obligation to anything? You can't have a lopsided social and activity demands all crammed into one half of the year. We can't abolish winter. It exists - boo hoo.
To be honest, whether the coach can teach you basic skills is down to the quality of the coaches - rather than environment (it's not like its perpetually slashing it down, or sub zero). The underrated reason why kids drop out, or why their parents feel reluctant to bring them to a local club is by and large because of the game itself: it's tough. brutal, in fact. You need certain level of bravery to play it, which is a largely absent trait required in other sports. The winter even compensates for this, boggy soft pitches are ideal to get collared in.
This is just my tuppence worth, as a fan, ex-amateur player.
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| Quote: RL13 "You're right. It was a disposable comment. Though I do wonder why from a pure sociological point of view, why football and its associated variants from their origin were played in winter to begin with? It's dark, depressing, "less warm" than in the summer months, so why? Why has it taken 100 years in our game, at least, to go this is not working.
From a personal perspective, rugby in winter gives us something to do. It gives us activity and focus through barren months. A distraction from schooling and work - something to look forward to.
The summer by contrast is full of activity in and of itself; the lure of holidays, days out, resting, tranquillity, a casual kick about, I wonder how many amateur will miss out on playing rugby because of trips away, going abroad, or just basic desire to enjoy life without any obligation to anything? You can't have a lopsided social and activity demands all crammed into one half of the year. We can't abolish winter. It exists - boo hoo.
To be honest, whether the coach can teach you basic skills is down to the quality of the coaches - rather than environment (it's not like its perpetually slashing it down, or sub zero). The underrated reason why kids drop out, or why their parents feel reluctant to bring them to a local club is by and large because of the game itself
I wouldn't argue with much of that - except the coaching aspect. As a coach right now and can tell you exactly how our winter seasons ALWAYS go: we meet up in late summer and have superb sessions twice a week in the daylight, often in glorious conditions. Everyone is enthusiastic and numbers are great. We can train for as long as we like and carry out any drill we like. The INSTANT the clocks change, all that goes to sh*t.
We're in a non-RL area (as are many clubs), and there are almost no floodlit grass facilities so we either train on a patch of grass using the ambient light from astroturf pitches where the light is barely sufficient, or we train on the astroturf pitches. Within 3-4 weeks that patch of grass is a bog; churned up and ankle deep in sticky mud. So we go on the astroturf - but you can't do physical drills or really throw yourself into some stuff for fear of hitting the concrete-hard ground. It's terrible. Numbers drop rapidly and the range of drills you can do is massively limited.
As for pitches being hard, I also made that argument but having played summer for 2 years and thinking back, I haven't played on a rock-hard pitch yet - and neither have any games been called off due to the weather, unlike winter. Since we formed we've missed on average SEVEN games a year due to the weather. It's demoralising and frustrating.
As for other pros for summer: again, as a non-RL area we struggle for players. We've a squad of 25-30 but increasing changes to peoples work patterns have meant loads more lads have to work weekends and we've seriously struggled at times. For summer I've got at least 4 Union lads, 3-4 footballers and a several Leaguies joining our squad - and I'm expecting more. We've secured excellent facilities for training and are now running kid's clubs.
At the end of the day, if someone wants to play winter League, they can. I doubt it's going to vanish. But for moving forward, recruiting new lads and improving conditions, it's the future. From a personal perspective, I prefer the mud, but that's just my age (and knees) talking.
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| Quote: Yed™ "In amateur you need to water the pitches if you want to play in summer, they are like concrete.'"
See your point but unlike pro clubs the amateur teams don't share pitchs with soccer clubs, so they can let the grass grow to a decent length to hold moisture in the ground more, rather than playing on a pitch that's like a snooker table.
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The debate we had in Bury... www.pitchero.com/clubs/burybronc ... 59538.html
have a few who didn't want summer, majority did and a fair few calls recently enquiring about playing.
Roll on Wednesday 4th May as our start night for summer training. Juniors at 6pm, Open Age at 7pm. Philips High, Whitefield, Bury/North Manchester. Anyone welcome.
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The debate we had in Bury... www.pitchero.com/clubs/burybronc ... 59538.html
have a few who didn't want summer, majority did and a fair few calls recently enquiring about playing.
Roll on Wednesday 4th May as our start night for summer training. Juniors at 6pm, Open Age at 7pm. Philips High, Whitefield, Bury/North Manchester. Anyone welcome.
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| Quote: PHIPPS "You played Rugby League for 25 years?
From 7 until I was 32, i'm sure that there is plenty on here that have done that.
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42169_1366443727.jpg Chorlton RL wrote- "Jonny, for me you hold the mantle of most sensible poster on the VT"
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| Quote: AlfieMoon "From 7 until I was 32, i'm sure that there is plenty on here that have done that.'"
Yep. I'd say the vast majority of players who stayed injury free (unlike me) played for over 20 years.
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| Quote: AlfieMoon "From 7 until I was 32, i'm sure that there is plenty on here that have done that.'"
why stop? we've a 48 year old still going 80 minutes a week...
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| Winter for me anytime.
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| Quote: mmp "why stop? we've a 48 year old still going 80 minutes a week...
That's nothing, Stanley Gene still does it
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| Quote: Yed™ "That's nothing, Stanley Gene still it
Strangely, he looks a bit like Stanley.
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| Quote: mmp "why stop? we've a 48 year old still going 80 minutes a week...
Having twins and a business doesnt allow me the time anymore. Miss it like crazy though.
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| Quote: PHIPPS "Well you can't.
Right.
Summer.
Playing any sort of outdoor sports in winter (apart from skiing, tobogganing and any other sport that involves snow, ice or being really cold) is a stupid idea.
And so is anyone else who thinks otherwise.
To be honest I think your quite stupid.
I added this poll to find out what people think and you're calling people that don't agree with you or have a different viewpoint.
I wanted to find out what most people think, not hear your one sided trash talk. The fact is people disagree with you and you need to accept it
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| Quote: rover49 "Winter for me anytime.'"
You need to say why. If you're just saying which you prefer, just click the poll option.
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| Summer games and training gives far more scope for coaching and skills development. In most of our sports, we see that our skill levels don't match other countries. With the conditions we train in, it's no wonder - we have to run around at full speed in training, just to keep warm.
It's better for spectators, it seems to be more fun for the players.
Yes, we get a few players away in August, especially in junior teams where holidays are limited to the school holidays, but that can be worked around. In fact, we can even take advantage of it by running things like 9-a-side tournaments - which according to the current coaching philisophy does more for players than always playing 13 a side.
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