the ARL won't allow a 2nd NZ team..............



the roosters,melbourne and souths have 30+ kiwis between them.....technically they don't need a southern orcas

The quality is just not there in SL. Especially in the halves (and threequarters). The intensity today was a absolute fraction below State of Origin. Only a few SL boys are intensity wise at that level. Only one or two are there in regards to skill level.

I think we need to think of ways to 'save' the NRL and our Ocker friends. The recent mega-bucks signing of Michael Worrincy, a player who wouldn't get in England's 15th best 13 shows how bad things are over there. In Australia everyone wants to be George Gregan or Tim Cahill, they don't want to be associated with Rugby League. The playing stocks are whitling down to nothing and in 5 years I reckon Australia won't be able to field a side capable of remanining within 150 of the big nations like Samoa, Tonga and New Zealand.

I propose a radical new rule. In order for the few remaining Australian players with any talent to get a competitive outing every week, they should be divided up between the SL clubs. SL is clearly a lot high standard than the NRL, as shown by the total dominance of the WCC competition and also by how the players who play in SL (Mainly England) collapse because it's just too tough for anyone to handle.

It's easy to see why the ARL have been bribing match officials for the last 10 years. Archer and his cronies missed a few more obvious things tonight in an attempt to try and make the game competitive, but we could all see through it. That final with a neutral referee and it would have been a record for an international in league. 200 would have been in trouble.

Dont worry. You have 1 whole year to come up with a ton of excuses for the rubbish we serve out every year.

a ton of excuses??? i don't need em'


the fact is england/GB have a better record against NZ than NZ have against australia

that'll do me!

For real ???? Fella IMO we are worse than ever. Forget the club rubbish, loyalty blindness, rose tinted glass stuff when looking at the international scene. SL players do not have the intensity or skill of the final today. And i include Eastmond who needs to learn how to control a game, international style. Loads of lads can run around in SL with not a care in the world. That does not make a world class player.

1 world cup win and 2 tri/quad (what ever it is) nations final wins does not make NZ a better team than Eng????? The worrying part is NZ are getting far better than England. Watching the game this is obvious? Even to you?

using old darling scale of judging NZ against australia by using the last 10 games and working out a average score....england/GB come out ontop of NZ....

Averages and stats are crap when NZ have won, yes won 1 world cup and 2 multi nations. England struggle to beat the top 2 teams and are falling behind NZ and Oz at at a rate of knots mate. Excuses are worthless.

New Zealand wouldn't beat England in England though. Until games are played in Hong Kong we won't know who is the best team.

Nz would beat us over here too now. The amount of young good uns in their ranks is worrying. We have nowt.

england don't struggle to beat NZ though...


you ask any NZ fan...they love playing australia but hate playing us...cos it's a 50/50 game...sure they can get up to play australia but struggle to get up against us...

would they?? like when they played our full strength team last year??



kiwis in NZ they win........against england in england they lose.....FACT!

We are struglling to beat NZ and it is becoming harder to do so Spud. They have beaten Oz 3 times in finals (games where it actually counts fella!!). We are getting worse (skills and intensity wise). I was actually optimistic at the start of the tour with all the amount of young blokes in. But it was below par again (our shining light Tompkins included). I wouldnt mind if we had some players with the correct skill set to succeed at the top level. But he have not.

In a final they win 'WHEN IT COUNTS'. FACT! WE ARE NOT AT THE LEVEL OF TODAY. fact.