Our style of game doesn't change at all and we play the same old predictable stuff. Try to get over the advantage line with 3 or 4 one man drives, try to achieve a decent kick and apply preassure to force a mistake. Where as the Aussies, as do the kiwis just concerntrate on there own games and throw the ball about.

The aussies proved today that even if its Raining you can still play some good Rugby. Ok decisions went against us but the ease they was gaining metres on the fringes was frightening. When they make a break every player knows were to be and what lines to run were as we just throw the ball about and hope it ends up to somebody fast in space.

We just respect them too much, hence why we went for goal at 6-6.

Didn't realise Fielden was playing until about the 68th minute.

Cudjoe was horrific, as bad as Atkins if not worse.

I agree. Cased on the last 2 games Fielden probably wont get selected again after this 4 nations, he had his chance again this year and hasnt really took it.

Cudjoe and Atkins were just awful, Atkins for the 2nd game in a row. They just dont have the defensive game, awareness or ball handling skills to be centres.

You sound like Saddened and Stevo, ergo, someone who doesnt have a clue about hooker play and thinks the best hookers are those that make the most runs from dummy half.

Question for you, what is the point of a 12 stone player, running from dummy half at a set defensive line, when its better to give it to a forward who is hitting the gain line at speed? Answers on a post card to Stevo and Saddened.

Joke rating for Joel Tomkins. He was average but did little wrong and got through plenty of work.

I'd rate them-

S Tomkins- 5- He was targeted and had no room to move in.
Goulding-5- A decent superleague player but not upto this level
Cudjoe-4- He really struggled in the first half and looked very nervous
Atkins-3- He had an appaling game. His defence is terrible and he's dumb with the ball
Briscoe-5- He tries hard and will continue to improve- Awful attempt to defuse the first half bomb
O'Loughlin-5- Never a stand off and when he started to play his natural game in the 2nd half looked miles better
Robinson-7- Tries his heart out and caused problems
Burgess-6- Caused problems for the Aussies but too many errors as usual
Roby-7- Big stint in defence and tested them out of dummy half at times but a couple of daft errors
Graham-7- He always gives it his all and showed his ball skills
Ellis-6- Didn't stand out but worked hard
Westwood-8- Our mom for me. He has come on leaps and bounds as a player
J Tomkins-6- Same as Ellis.

subs
Crabtree-5- Did very little
Fielden-6- Thought he had a good 2nd half spell
Harrison-5- Didn't seem to get much chance to make an impact.
Lunt-6- I thought he gave it a real crack and should have been awarded a benefit of the doubt try.

So the best hookers arn't the ones who make good yards and breaks? John Thursfield must have been the best hooker of his era then.

Sorry, but some of these are absolute rubbish!
Goulding didn't put a foot wrong and had an absolute muppet playing inside him.
Cudjoe was as bad as Atkins - his hesitancy allowed them to stroll right through.
Roby was probably our best player. In defence he was great, set up our try and made some decent yards. At least a 7.
SOL was poor at 6, not decent.
And Ellis, 3 out of 10? Not sure what's more of a joke, your score for him, or your quote after it...

Not going to rate the whole team cannot be bothered but just a few stats for people to reflect on and look at them without club bias.

--------------Runs (m)----T.Brks---Tackles--Missed tackles-Offloads--Errors---Pen Conc.
12. Joel Tomkins -- 7 (42m)--1 ------27 ----------2-----------1 --------0-------0-----
13. Ben Westwood 7 (42m) --1 ------33 ----------4-----------2---------1-------2

Why have you selected them 2- are you upset that your precious Wigan 12 has been found not to be int standard

Well, I'm from Wigan - am I allowed to comment?

Apart from the penalties conceded, Westwood was miles better than Joel Tomkins, much stronger going forward and punishing defence. Tomkins work rate was OK but little impact

The error stat is wrong for a start, J Tomkins knocked on in the 2nd half.
Plus Westwood's metres were made up the middle of the park where as J Tomkins were mostly in the centres as he spent most of the game hiding there and doing it really well, as he was hardly noticed.

Not surprising stats to be honest. Westwood puts in the work but he still concedes too many penalties IMO. His needless penalty for holding down gave the Aussies the opening try.

Sam Tomkins? did he do anything? I thought he was the weapon to set England alight.
Widdop could not have done less than tomkins.

Picked them 2 due to some of the ratings Joel seems to be getting. He was just as good as the "NRL superstar" that is Ellis. Westwood has been top quality the last two games i have no problem with saying that and im not saying Joel was as good as Westwood because he wasnt just stating he wasnt as bad some seem to be suggesting.

Westwood was at fault for the 1st try was he? i didn't see him run the ball out of play when it was near enough dead like Tomkins did from Lockyer's grubber gifting the aussies another set of 6, and i didn't see him leave a huge hole for Luke Lewis to run through like Cudjoe did.