The Aussie press will say the only good players were Ellis and Burgess, just as they said after the Kiwi game.

What is blatantly obvious is that we can,t bring our best players be it in England or Australia from the domestic game to the international stage.

A few sample examples isgood we can beat France

We,ve got too many "winning mentality legendary" players hanging around on the edges of rugby league having no impact on how the game should be modelled, Hanley, Clarke, Sculthorpe,Edwards,Long etc.

I thought Roby and Robinson were where England looked dangerous, O'Loughlin and Goulding were the worst

Burgess has been very disappointing for me and makes far too many mistakes.

Graham, Westwood and Roby were our best players today and overall I certainly think that Graham can hold his head high as to how he performed last week and this.

roby, westwood, graham and robinson were our best players today. was expecting better things from burgess and ellis.

I thought roby had a good game and so did robinson.

Thought Atkins will be left dissapointed again, he just looks out of his depth!

I was impressed with the debutants, Lunt looks like he could be a very dangerous player for england, cudjoe was ok missed a couple of tackles and ben harrison continues to impress every time I see him play.

I'm taking a hell of alot of positives out of this tour, I looked at the world cup team and they should of got in the final, nothing was expected of our men this time around and they have been rather competitive. We just need to significantly work on our completion, especially coming away from our own line. You should never give the ball away in your red zone but time and time again we have done that.

The whole team will be learning from this and gives us more squad depth when the likes of morley,peacock,eastmond,mcguire,pryce,sinfield are back next year.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Pryce
4. Shenton
5. Briscoe
6. McGuire
7. Eastmond
8. Graham
9. Sinfield
10. Peacock
11. Ellis
12. Burgess
13. O'Loughlin

14. Morley
15. Fielden
16. Roby
17. Westwood

is how I would of liked to seen us line up in this 4ns.

Ben Westwood, I would go on to say he is one of our best at International level, not like the next big thing in SL that is the choker at International level Sam Tomkins. And I know people are gonna come up with the excuses he was a target blah blah blah, but look at darren Lockyer. We target him everytime but he always comes up with the good wether his pack wins or not, because he is a truly class player, not a PRETENDER.

Rant over, I know alot of the deluded people on here will.....

Thought from 9-13 we looked the business. Crabtree looked good off the bench and Robinson did what he could. 1-6 just shocking. I know there young but some of the mistakes with and wthout ball were amateurish and certainly not close to Int standard.

to me roby played well but was on far too long in first half, lunt didnt come on until well into 2nd half, poor coaching in my eyes that, as was picking tomkins at full back he needs to be in the halves, oloughlin was terrible at stand off for me he contibuted massively to the missed tackles in the centres due to him not moving across in the defensive line, for the first try it was 5 against 2 but people blame the centre for the missed tackle , another coaching error in my eyes picking a defensive stand off instead of a attacking one.overall for me our best today were roby westwood graham and robinson, the worst burgess who makes more errors than anybody in the team, but plays in nrl so must be great, oloughlin so far out of position he looked lost and atkins another who makes countless errors throughout every game he plays.

The backs just arnet good enough. To be fair to Lockers, he shouldnt have been playing 6, and Cudjoe was as much to blame of that first try as Lockers. Goulding, Atkins, Briscoe, Cudjoe are no where near good enough for this level. Overall most have been very disappointing.

I watched the Aussie coverage and the only players worth anything were Burgess, Ellis, Graham, Roby and Westwood. Burgess and Ellis because they play in the NRL and Graham because some of the clubs are chasing him and Roby, because they knew who he was.

They slated the outside backs.

Agree re Westwood, not seen much of him and he looked the business in both games. Needs to cut out the laying on but that aside he looks a good player.

Tomkins is still young and learning his trade. I think he was a bit lost today and thought he had a much better game at 6 last week. My only concern with him is he does look a bit of a one trick pony and hasn;t shown any great passing or kicking ability.

No Fielden or O'Loughlin for me, and I reckon for you too if you weren't a wigan fan.

If O'loughlin was played in his position then yes, but not at 6.

O'Loughlin looked very good last week and totally ineffective this. Stop playing forwards at 6 England, have we learnt nothing from Farrell,Sinfield et al?