FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Should Gareth Hock Be Let Back For The Start Of Next Season? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 11757 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2007 | 17 years | |
|
| Quote: gateaux "By having longer bans in place the players are being punished and others can see what they have lost via there actions therefore it will hopefully act as a deterrent to others. I do agree that the drug that was taken (ie recreational or performance enhancing) should be taken into account but I wouldn't like to see anything less that a 1 year ban personally.'"
It’d be interesting to see how many people have been banned from sport for doing recreational drugs prior to the Gareth Hock ban. The most famous one of recent years was Michael Phelps whose known for winning many gold medals at the last Olympics.
Deterrents have been in place for years and I doubt none will stop a sport star from going downhill if he makes the wrong choices.
I still think that three months is more than enough to change someone who wants to change. The second time they should be a lengthy ban IMO. Although I am warming to nick hkr’s idea...
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 11757 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2007 | 17 years | |
|
| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "How do you know he has learnt his lesson?'"
I'll just take his word for it!
Quote: Barry_McKenzie "What's up dammo-leeds? Not enough head high tackles for your liking this season
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4389 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2019 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
45452.jpg [i:2v2cei1t]'You put your Wendell in,
You take your Brownie out,
You put your Bennett in,
And you make it to the 8,
You do the Oki Chokie,
And you get knocked out,
Thats what St George are about' [/i:2v2cei1t]
[quote="dally messenger":2v2cei1t]parra had no ball and still looked like scoring all the time[/quote:2v2cei1t]
[quote="The Chief":2v2cei1t]What a knob Barrie MacKenzie is.[/quote:2v2cei1t]
[quote="gutterfax":2v2cei1t]I like Bazza. He chose the name of a cross dressing Austalian institutions other persona.....and is your typical Aussie w@nker living in London whilst he tries to get some culture by visiting Prague to get pi55ed on Cheap Star, getting a fondle from a dodgy hooker in amsterdam and eating a snail for a bet when in paris. All of these things will make him a cultural icon when his visa runs out and he is sent the way of his great grandparents....alas, not in chains this time.[/quote:2v2cei1t]
NEW COMPETITION COMING SOON!! YOU COULD BE THE NEXT BARRY McKENZIE!! WATCH THIS SPACE!!
Barry McKenzie can be contacted at aussielegendbaz@gmail.com:45452.jpg |
|
| Quote: Damo-Leeds "I'll just take his word for it!
Never believe a word anyone who has taken recreational drugs tells you Damo.
EVER.
I spoke to a bloke down Shepherds Bush Walkabout the other weekend( who had clearly overdone the old fruity disco biscuits) who claimed he was a direct descendent of former cambodian communist leader Pol Pot.
Although he didn't appear to have any Asian features and had a Fremantle dockers AFL guernsey on.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 23689 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
26877_1286022325.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26877.jpg |
|
| Quote: Damo-Leeds "It’d be interesting to see how many people have been banned from sport for doing recreational drugs prior to the Gareth Hock ban. The most famous one of recent years was Michael Phelps whose known for winning many gold medals at the last Olympics.
Deterrents have been in place for years and I doubt none will stop a sport star from going downhill if he makes the wrong choices.
I still think that three months is more than enough to change someone who wants to change. The second time they should be a lengthy ban IMO. Although I am warming to nick hkr’s idea...'" No matter what the punishments are some people will always do thing (people still commit murder in places where the death penalty is in place!).
I don't know what help and support is in place for people who have been banned but I would hope that is ongoing with regular testing. Perhaps an inital 12 months ban and then regular testing and after a set period of time 'clean' they are allowed to return.
I do have doubts that, if your talking about cracking an addiction 3 months would be long enough for some people.
Of course none of this is in the control of the RFL anyway as they have to go along with the World Doping Agency.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 9982 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2015 | Aug 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
4486_1428087820.png Newsnight 13th May 2010: "With the role of Deputy Prime Minister a non-job. Has Nick Clegg gone from King Maker to tea maker????"
I kept the faith and I kept voting
Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it
And mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory
Mine is the green field and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers
And mine is the peace we knew
Between the wars:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_4486.png |
|
| Quote: nick hkr "The drugs Gareth took are illegal drugs that had he been caught by the police he would have been dealt with a lot worse. '"
Would he?? I know persistant users caught numerous times still walking the street, free as a bird.
The ban needs to be long enough to act as a deterrent. 1 yr for me (If the player does community acrtvity and rehab if appropriate). Life time ban for a 2nd offence.
Unless it's because you ate contaminated meat.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 8463 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2011 | Oct 2011 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
5017.jpg [quote="The Independent (May 2007)":1a4c25jw]Today the east [of Hull], which contains the biggest council estate in Europe, is poor, a place of high unemployment and low expectation. The west, which has the city centre and the university, is posh and prosperous.[/quote:1a4c25jw]:5017.jpg |
|
| Quote: nick hkr "
On the other hand they are hardly performance enhancing, quite the opposite I should imagine so in this case should the ban reflect that?? '"
i believe cocaine can be used to mask the presence of other drugs, hence its a banned substance. that and as you said its illegal.
people are having a field day with pro cycling today because contador had a 20 billionth of a gram (yes thats the right figure) of a substance in his blood which means cycling must still be full of druggies. no other sport would even notice that amount. all sports should stick to the WADA bans and that means 2 years for scum like hock
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 39717 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
Moderator
|
| just my opinion, but since it was announced he was banned, it doesn't seem that he's had his ties cut with the wigan club, it seemed like it took several months for them to announce formally that he was no longer employed by the club(and several repeated threads on the cherry n white board asking for an announcement) and it seems to be common knowledge on their that they've already courted him for a return and are keeping an eye on him during his abscence, aside from him not playing, it doesn't seem like he's been punished, or removed from the club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 361 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2018 | May 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| everybody deserves a 2nd chance.he didnt commit murder and everybody makes mistakes.if everyone was kicked out of their chosen career for something they did in their recreational time(and everybody has done something whether theyve been caught or not),how many people who post on here can say they would not have had to change their lives had they been subject to such strict rules.and yes i know you can be sacked for out of work misdemeaners but you can usually get a job in your chosen profession afterwards.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 23689 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
26877_1286022325.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26877.jpg |
|
| Quote: Eddie Marks "everybody deserves a 2nd chance.he didnt commit murder and everybody makes mistakes.if everyone was kicked out of their chosen career for something they did in their recreational time(and everybody has done something whether theyve been caught or not),how many people who post on here can say they would not have had to change their lives had they been subject to such strict rules.and yes i know you can be sacked for out of work misdemeaners but you can usually get a job in your chosen profession afterwards.'"
He will get a second chance. When he has served his ban he is free to play again.
He took the risk though, he knew the consequences and that if he was caught was that he would get banned.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 361 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2018 | May 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| i just think its a bit harsh for a recreational misdemeaner
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4389 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2019 | Dec 2010 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
45452.jpg [i:2v2cei1t]'You put your Wendell in,
You take your Brownie out,
You put your Bennett in,
And you make it to the 8,
You do the Oki Chokie,
And you get knocked out,
Thats what St George are about' [/i:2v2cei1t]
[quote="dally messenger":2v2cei1t]parra had no ball and still looked like scoring all the time[/quote:2v2cei1t]
[quote="The Chief":2v2cei1t]What a knob Barrie MacKenzie is.[/quote:2v2cei1t]
[quote="gutterfax":2v2cei1t]I like Bazza. He chose the name of a cross dressing Austalian institutions other persona.....and is your typical Aussie w@nker living in London whilst he tries to get some culture by visiting Prague to get pi55ed on Cheap Star, getting a fondle from a dodgy hooker in amsterdam and eating a snail for a bet when in paris. All of these things will make him a cultural icon when his visa runs out and he is sent the way of his great grandparents....alas, not in chains this time.[/quote:2v2cei1t]
NEW COMPETITION COMING SOON!! YOU COULD BE THE NEXT BARRY McKENZIE!! WATCH THIS SPACE!!
Barry McKenzie can be contacted at aussielegendbaz@gmail.com:45452.jpg |
|
| After their 2008 World cup campaign no one could accuse any England players of taking performance enhancing drugs.
In a way it's a pity they didn't.
They were truly shocking.
Unless it was Keith Senior and Viagra
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 9426 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
42169_1366443727.jpg Chorlton RL wrote- "Jonny, for me you hold the mantle of most sensible poster on the VT"
...............................................................................................................................................
Yed wrote: "He's like a Kevin Penny on steroids except he's good too"
...............................................................................................................................................
"What? What have I said now?" - Starbug 2013
...............................................................................................................................................:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_42169.jpg |
|
| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "'Charlie'???
Thats an unfortunate name when you consider what young Mr Hock was putting up his nose'"
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 5233 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2013 | Jan 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
8118_1332426340.jpg Hull shock Leeds in 2005 Challenge Cup final
//www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/14252202
[color=#FF0000:1j25ao8d]
Frosties. wrote: Believe you and me, Ellis will be in a Leeds shirt next year.
Frosties. wrote: Leeds signed him in January, he will play in a rhinos shirt for 2012.
Frosties. wrote: Done deal, Leeds bound.
[/color:1j25ao8d]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8118.jpg |
|
| Quote: Damo-Leeds "Surely he’s learnt his lesson now?
I personally think that public awareness of what players have done wrong shouldn’t be coupled with bans that last for years and it should just be three month bans at most IMO.'"
yer he can come bk june 23rd
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 20464 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
[b:2boqkfe7][color=#800000:2boqkfe7]WIGAN RLFC - SL ERA
WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS 2017 & 2024
SUPER LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 1998, 2010, 2013, 2016, 2018, 2023 & 2024
CHALLENGE CUP FINAL WINNERS 2002, 2011, 2013, 2022 & 2024
LEAGUE LEADERS CHAMPIONS 2010, 2012, 2020, 2023 & 2024
ACADEMY GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019 & 2024
WOMEN’S GRAND FINAL WINNERS 2018
BEST SUPPORTED CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010, 2011, 2012 & 2024
CLUB OF THE YEAR 2010 & 2012
[/color:2boqkfe7][/b:2boqkfe7]: |
|
| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "Unless it was Keith Senior and Viagra'"
IIRC from the pictures of that rank bint he went with no wonder he had to take viagra, she was enough to make it bend inwards.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 5554 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2012 | Aug 2011 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2157.jpg Goonland 2006/2007/2008?: Trophy-free zone - Only the sound of two banjos playing in the background and some bloke chewing gum.:2157.jpg |
|
| The ban length is dictated by WADA not the RFL. They bought into the system which is necessary to tap into government funds etc so their hands are tied.
|
|
|
|
|
|