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Quote: Frombanginfront ""Terry will be remembered as the player who was banned for taking Human Growth Hormone. He will be remembered as a cheat"! '"


Well it goes to show how people take things differently because I thought that was said with a great deal of sadness in his voice. I took him to mean that it's such a shame that he will be remembered by people as a cheat and being banned from the game at the time of his death for using HGH as opposed to purely being remembered as a player of such high calibre. He was right too, all the reports of his death have been "drug cheat rugby league star Newton " or "banned RL player Terry Newton" as opposed to "Rugby League star/legend/player Terry Newton" and that is a shame.

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Quote: Mintball "Oh yes – the truth is a 'disgrace'. How very dare they mention it! Bad, bad people! Their fault – not Terry Newton's for taking banned substances, oh no.

And quit with the royal "we".

FFS.

Is there really any chance that we might grow out of this sentimental bølløcks, whereby one is villified for stating a factoid? And whereby the only form of discussion has to be unmitigated praise? Let's take it to its logical extreme



For someone who is part of the RLFANS admin team you are such an idiot!

Terry made a terrible mistake by taking HGH but I don't think alot of people realised that he was diagnosed with depression 2 years ago following the tragic death of his sister. And all you want to do is pretty much have a pop at a deadman? He made a mistake, he suffered the consequences, he has payed the ultimate price for this mistake which has stuck on his mind.

Everyone makes mistakes and terry would of been the first to admit that he made alot of mistakes but he shouldn't be remembered for that. He should be remembered for the 100 percent effort and commitment he gave every week and for being such a genuine man.

In my opinion when somebody so young dies Sport goes out of the window and human nature kicks in. Clearly not for somebody like you. Terry has left behind 2 beautiful daughters and his wife. It is them I feel for and for his children whoose daddy will now miss them growing up and blossoming into young women.

You really need to think before you post and should be ashamed of what you said.

RIP Terry, you will be remembered in my house for playing your heart out every time for wigan!

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Quote: Mintball "Oh yes – the truth is a 'disgrace'. How very dare they mention it! Bad, bad people! Their fault – not Terry Newton's for taking banned substances, oh no.

And quit with the royal "we".

FFS.

Is there really any chance that we might grow out of this sentimental bølløcks, whereby one is villified for stating a factoid? And whereby the only form of discussion has to be unmitigated praise? Let's take it to its logical extreme

Absolutely disgraceful post. You should be ashamed.

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Quote: Mintball "Eddie and co mentioned it way before I did – so I assume you'll be complaining to them too. Kindly let us know their response. It'll be fascinating.

And at no point in history has "respect" meant ignoring facts. And it doesn't now – except to the terminally dumb.; the sentimental, who allow their opinions to be controlled by tabloids and tabloid TV.

No. And you're bright enough to know perfectly well that that was not what I said.

The point is not to avoid elements of history.

I have never suggested – and nor would I – that only Terry Newton made mistakes.

Terry Newton, on his day, was a brilliant player. Simple as. Or not. Because he was also other things.

What has happened is shocking and tragic. But let's not try to pretend that part of his career didn't happen.

What I have seen here in the last 24 hours is an attempt to pretend that some of what happened around Terry Newton didn't really happen. A brilliant player – but also a thug on the pitch on occasions (what he did sometimes would have seen him jailed if he'd done it in, say, a club) and someone who used banned substances.

It doesn't make any difference whether it happened or not, in terms of making what happened this weekend a tragedy
How immature is that, 'they said it first' and you were the one getting all high and mighty about intellect.
No giving respect doesn't mean having to ignore facts, but it should mean not shouting off about certain things, surely you should be able to see that. The 'sentimental' as you've put it don't always allow their views to be clouded by the media, quite the opposite in a lot of cases. As i said, empathy, and tact.
Its very clear in this situation that it's not what eddie said (because yes thats true) but the timing, the people, and everything about the situation was wrong for him to coem out with something like that. Don't be so literal about things, you've come across as the type to be overly pedantic already, but it's not the place.

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Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "For someone who is part of the RLFANS admin team you are such an idiot!...'"


Oh dear – stating a fact is a disgrace now.

Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "Absolutely disgraceful post. You should be ashamed.'"


Kindly quote what I have posted that is factually inaccurate.

Please, be free. Try facts rather than an appeal to sentimentality.

I'll give you a clue. I have not posted a single, solitary word that has been disrespectful to Terry Newton or his family. The fact that there are a number of illiterates around here who cannot understand basics sentences is not my fault. I have always assumed you to be above that.

Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "How immature is that, 'they said it first' and you were the one getting all high and mighty about intellect...'"


That's right – I keep forgetting that to not ignore the facts is disrespectful.

Hey – if Eddie said it, it's okay. But if someone here mentions 'it', then it's suddenly a heresy.

Hey folks, we have a new religion! Don't mention the truth about anything, whatever you do!

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Quote: Mintball "Oh yes – the truth is a 'disgrace'. How very dare they mention it! Bad, bad people! Their fault – not Terry Newton's for taking banned substances, oh no.

And quit with the royal "we".

FFS.

Is there really any chance that we might grow out of this sentimental bølløcks, whereby one is villified for stating a factoid? And whereby the only form of discussion has to be unmitigated praise? Let's take it to its logical extreme

Disgraceful post, callous and cold.

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Quote: ads7fax "Disgraceful post, callous and cold.'"


Please point out the factual inaccuracies – and, indeed, where I have been 'cold'.

I have made it quite clear that this is a tragedy, so perhaps you'll have to look elsewhere.

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Quote: Mintball "Please point out the factual inaccuracies – and, indeed, where I have been 'cold'.

I have made it quite clear that this is a tragedy, so perhaps you'll have to look elsewhere.'"


You have not put any facts into the post icon_confused.gif But you preach integrity well maybe start showing some and been a decent human being and mourning the death of a fellow human

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[Get A Grip Mode On] Can I just add my voice to those who demand that everyone respond in the same way to this event. It's clear to me that anyone who expresses any thoughts different to mine is an evil person, who should be roundly abused, and possibly killed, if we can find out where they live. Then, when the heretic is dead, we can start a thread on how unimpeachable their life was, now they're dead, and consequently persecute ourselves if we dare to repeat our own earlier opinions. I think I've got that about right. [/Get A Grip Mode Off]



Terry Newton was a good player who, like all of us, had his demons. I didn't like the way he played the game, and I didn't like some of his actions off the pitch. I think it's very sad that with so much time ahead of him to live a good life, he reached a point where this seemed the only way for him. I pity the man, and his family. Rugby League and other sports have been the saving of many a troubled soul, but sadly not for Newton.

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Quote: Glasgow Gal "Well it goes to show how people take things differently because I thought that was said with a great deal of sadness in his voice. I took him to mean that it's such a shame that he will be remembered by people as a cheat and being banned from the game at the time of his death for using HGH as opposed to purely being remembered as a player of such high calibre. He was right too, all the reports of his death have been "drug cheat rugby league star Newton " or "banned RL player Terry Newton" as opposed to "Rugby League star/legend/player Terry Newton" and that is a shame.'"

That's how I saw it too.

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Quote: Glasgow Gal "Well it goes to show how people take things differently because I thought that was said with a great deal of sadness in his voice. I took him to mean that it's such a shame that he will be remembered by people as a cheat and being banned from the game at the time of his death for using HGH as opposed to purely being remembered as a player of such high calibre. He was right too, all the reports of his death have been "drug cheat rugby league star Newton " or "banned RL player Terry Newton" as opposed to "Rugby League star/legend/player Terry Newton" and that is a shame.'"

Less talking sense and more frothing, pitchfork-waving outrage please. Otherwise the disrespect police will be after you as well.

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Quote: Mintball "Oh dear – stating a fact is a disgrace now.

Kindly quote what I have posted that is factually inaccurate.

Please, be free. Try facts rather than an appeal to sentimentality.

I'll give you a clue. I have not posted a single, solitary word that has been disrespectful to Terry Newton or his family. The fact that there are a number of illiterates around here who cannot understand basics sentences is not my fault. I have always assumed you to be above that.

That's right – I keep forgetting that to not ignore the facts is disrespectful.

Hey – if Eddie said it, it's okay. But if someone here mentions 'it', then it's suddenly a heresy.

Hey folks, we have a new religion! Don't mention the truth about anything, whatever you do!'"

The whole bloody point of the thread is that eddie said it you idiot!
You are either incredibly ignorant or just cannot read.

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Quote: ToffeeLady "The whole bloody point of the thread is that eddie said it you idiot!
You are either incredibly ignorant or just cannot read.'"


You're not very bright are you?

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Quote: cod'ead "You're not very bright are you?'"

I wasn't the person claiming to be. icon_rolleyes.gif

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I hope this thread gets deleted and forgotten about.

Yes Terry did take banned substances and everybody knows it, but people on here are remembering what a great player he was. Why do his flaws need to be made a point of so soon after his tragic and untimely death?

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