FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > Overseas Players |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5035 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2021 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
44747_1304271884.png :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44747.png |
|
| Quote: EL CAMO "And go on, tell me what the point you were making was about Mason coming for a pension.'"
The point was who's more likely to show more heart & effort, a young lad who's supported KR since he was a kid or an ageing Aussie - this can be swapped for every club just replace Mason with a high paid old Aussie.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3679 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
38546.gif What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?:38546.gif |
|
| Quote: Gaslight "The point was who's more likely to show more heart & effort, a young lad who's supported KR since he was a kid or an ageing Aussie - this can be swapped for every club just replace Mason with a high paid old Aussie.'"
it's more about ability than heart and effort.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5035 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2021 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
44747_1304271884.png :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44747.png |
|
| Quote: EL CAMO "it's more about ability than heart and effort.'"
So you'd rather watch a player just go through the motions not bothering than someone who trys their heart out every week?
No wonder the league is a joke when people have that attitude.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 448 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2012 | Jun 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| I can garantee that i have never in the last 10 years bought my pass on the basis of who is playing for Rovers never mind what nationality they are, i have also never bought one on the principle that we may have several GB/England stars of the future playing in any particular season.
I buy my pass on the basis that the guys who run out may they be White,Black,Orange or Gold, English, Scottish, PNG or Aus want to play for my team and not my country.
Should i decide to watch England that is my choice but come domestic match day i have none!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3679 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
38546.gif What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?:38546.gif |
|
| Quote: Gaslight "So you'd rather watch a player just go through the motions not bothering than someone who trys their heart out every week?
No wonder the league is a joke when people have that attitude.'"
Not what I said at all.
I would rather watch a good player then a "trier."
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 12792 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2020 | Oct 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
1506.jpg [quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm]
[quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm]
[quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg |
|
| Quote: chukabutt "As for the international thing Rovers in previous seasons have contributed both Fox and Briscoe to the setup which is easily forgotten.'"
Possibly because they were already established Super League regulars before they joined HKR. Fox had established himself as a regular at Wakefield whilst Briscoe had more than 130 first grade appearances to his name. They are hardly "products" of the KR system.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1876 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2014 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
28305.gif :28305.gif |
|
| Quote: Saddened! "Overseas players do add to Super League. But you should be able to link the profile of the sport to the international game. The Union TV deal is bigger than League's despite lower viewing figures. It's because the sport has a national profile, afforded to it by the international game.
If we don't have a competitive England team we don't have a viable international game (Only 2 teams). If we don't have that it reduces the profile of the sport and it's the reason none of the news agencies or newspapers will touch league. It's so small fry.
The attitude of clubs like Wigan and Hull KR is like yours, they care only for their own club and it's success and don't have the long term vision to see how developing English players is key to the sports' future.'"
That was close to a sensible post until the last paragraph.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22320 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2024 | Sep 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Regards,
Matthew[/quote:3e09qe5x]:23521.jpg |
|
| Quote: EL CAMO "You realize we signed Fisher to help get us promoted from NL1 where he was far, far better than any player Rovers could produce and on a par with Mark Smith as the best Hooker in the league?
And this season Rhys Lovegrove has been our best prop by some distance?
And you know for a fact that Willie Mason will not maintain his form from this season, where he has been in the top 10 for line breaks and metres made?'"
Have you been listening to rado humberside?
Masons made one line break all season.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3679 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
38546.gif What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?:38546.gif |
|
| Quote: Sheldon "Have you been listening to rado humberside?
Masons made one line break all season.'"
Misinformed on RLFans!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6345 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
27668_1549011243.png Twitter : @TheResidentPete:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27668.png |
|
| Quote: EL CAMO "I know as a Hull KR fan this thread will be reacted to as me defending my own club but, why is having homegrown players in your squad so important?
If they are good enough they will be signed, if not they won't. Australia has a pool of players vastly bigger than Britain. Therefore there are more quality players available from down under.
So we get hammered by the Aussies in Internationals, I don't know many people that really care at all about international RL.
Rugby is a sport, made for entertainment for spectators. If overseas players create more entertaining rugby then so be it!'"
Agree fully with you.
Hull wouldn't be a better team this year if they had gone with academy products over the likes of bringing Fitzgibbon (our joint community player of the year) or O Meley in.
Just like Crusaders wouldn't be in the 8 if they had recruited Welsh players.
I'd say 90% of overseas signings will improve a team as well as improving other players, particular young English players.
I've always maintained the fact that if a player is good enough he will play, regardless of where they come from. Its not so important to beat the Aussies, whats important is having a strong club competition and the rest will happen from there.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 22777 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2020 | Feb 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
//www.pngnrlbid.com
[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
|
| Quote: pmarrow "Agree fully with you.
Hull wouldn't be a better team this year if they had gone with academy products over the likes of bringing Fitzgibbon (our joint community player of the year) or O Meley in.
Just like Crusaders wouldn't be in the 8 if they had recruited Welsh players.
I'd say 90% of overseas signings will improve a team as well as improving other players, particular young English players.
I've always maintained the fact that if a player is good enough he will play, regardless of where they come from. Its not so important to beat the Aussies, whats important is having a strong club competition and the rest will happen from there.'"
you can maintain whatever you like, but it doesnt alter the fact that we actually create players, they dont just fall out of the sky, we need to scout them, coach them, and develop them to make them players.
And if we continue to go for the easy overseas option we wont put as much effort into scouting them, coaching them and developing them as players, so they wont reach their potential and the league will be of poorer quality,
and you are right, Hull may not be a better team this year if they went for an academy product of Fitzgibbon, they more than likely would be though, if they went out scouted, trained and developed a young player in place of a fat waste like Sam Moa or a distinctly average player like Luauki
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2382 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2018 | Jul 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
32842_1344956992.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_32842.jpg |
|
| Hull KR's longterm aim is to replace players such as Galea, Newton, Clinton and Mason with players from their own academy. That is a fact.
Years without any SL income, being ed from behind by previous owners and during that time having an established SL club based in the same city quite rightly and understandably grabbing the best young talent, may sound to some like whinging excuses, but [ithey are valid reasons[/i. Anyone with half a brain can see the gulf in power between those clubs in SL and those outside.
My post in the other thread was more about the hypocrisy of the RFL allowing Tongans and Samoans to be selected for the English national side, whilst stipulating that its clubs select their squads on a nationality basis. In actual fact I support the overseas rules and the salary cap rules but not at the expense of driving the sport back down to semi-pro level or cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Fact is overseas signings have raised the bar over here and many of them (not all) benefit younger homegrown players and the sport as a spectacle in general. There are too many, and quite frankly I do think there'll be too many at Hull KR next year, but whilst the rules allow it, clubs will benefit and hopefully Rovers and other clubs will demonstrate in the coming years that they can continue to thrive in SL without the need for so many imports.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 3422 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2015 | Apr 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
7958_1321302247.jpg [url:15kig0eg]http://www.traditionalteacompany.co.uk/[/url:15kig0eg]
[quote="Saddened":15kig0eg]Pat Richards is poop. A typical, average, run of the mill NRL outside back. Nothing special at all. Like Barrett he is a myth. He is solid enough, he can catch, he can kick goals.[/quote:15kig0eg]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7958.jpg |
|
| Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "That was close to a sensible post until the last paragraph.'"
Dont pay any attention to him, his comments about Wigan are fueled by a bitter hatred or a complete lack of knowledge, or maybe both. I do seem to recall 3 Wigan developed players in the dream team squad this week and the 8 players in the squad from last friday who were developed at Wigan. Not bad for a team this guy makes out to be the worst offenders in Superleague.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2398 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2020 | May 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
52062_1312547093.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_52062.jpg |
|
| Double post.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 1775 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
10346.jpg Rorke's Drift.........1879 or 1914?:10346.jpg |
|
| The issue with overseas signings is that it's never a like for like comparison with an English player. To be offered a contract (and a first team shirt) an English player has to be as good at 19 as any available Australian/NZ/islander or whatever. An example of how hard it is to "make it"; Chris Clarkson, who was down to be discarded but his coach begged they give him another year so they sorted something out to allow him to stay at Leeds on a part-time contract.
This "if they're good enough..." is a crock.
It's very rare that any player is better at 19 than they are at 25!! So why would they win out in a competition at 19 with an available antipodean of 25 years?
|
|
|
|
|
|