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Quote: chubbs1981 "so a few k over the salary cap is ok as long as it's not a few more.'"


If it was OK, they wouldn't have been fined.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Amazed this hasn't been pointed out before...or maybe I haven't seen it, but surely, if you own a business, you know exactly how much your wage bill is?
Even if you take into account, win bonus payments, try/kick bonus payments etc, you have a budget at the start of the year and your accounts department, together with HR know exactly who is getting paid what on a weekly/fortnightly/monthly basis....therefore, it should prove impossible to be over the cap. Furthermore, it should be impossible to be accidently over the cap......ie, a player received too much money in a particular wage run, this needs to be adjusted the following week....it really isn't brain surgery.
FWIW, any club, no matter who they are, who spends 1 cent or 1 penny more than they are allowed to under the rules of the competition should be punnished in the same way as the storm. Theft is theft, crown jewels or stick of rock...if you nick it, you are a thief and if you breach the cap, you are a cheat. The minor punnishments handed out to these cheats may well open up the Storm can of worms again, given that they could argue they were over punnished for the same offences. Just because they were winners, they were made an example of, yet these other transgressors have been pretty much let off.

If the game wants to be taken seriously, then it needs to stop worrying about defectors and concentrate on getting a higher cap and enforcing it........ie, 1 cent over payment = the same fine as 1 million over it. I can't think of any other business where there are accidental overpayments that aren't immediately spotted and reconciled.

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Quote: gutterfax "Amazed this hasn't been pointed out before...or maybe I haven't seen it, but surely, if you own a business, you know exactly how much your wage bill is?
Even if you take into account, win bonus payments, try/kick bonus payments etc, you have a budget at the start of the year and your accounts department, together with HR know exactly who is getting paid what on a weekly/fortnightly/monthly basis....therefore, it should prove impossible to be over the cap. Furthermore, it should be impossible to be accidently over the cap......ie, a player received too much money in a particular wage run, this needs to be adjusted the following week....it really isn't brain surgery.
FWIW, any club, no matter who they are, who spends 1 cent or 1 penny more than they are allowed to under the rules of the competition should be punnished in the same way as the storm. Theft is theft, crown jewels or stick of rock...if you nick it, you are a thief and if you breach the cap, you are a cheat. The minor punnishments handed out to these cheats may well open up the Storm can of worms again, given that they could argue they were over punnished for the same offences. Just because they were winners, they were made an example of, yet these other transgressors have been pretty much let off.

If the game wants to be taken seriously, then it needs to stop worrying about defectors and concentrate on getting a higher cap and enforcing it........ie, 1 cent over payment

I think "accidental" overpayments can partly be explained by bonuses within players contracts, extra payments for international selection, number of first team games played etc. Items which the club has less control over than a fixed weekly wage.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Barnacle Bill "I think "accidental" overpayments can partly be explained by bonuses within players contracts, extra payments for international selection, number of first team games played etc. Items which the club has less control over than a fixed weekly wage.'"


Like any business, the clubs must surely forecast and budget for these "payments".

At the start of the year, I have 30 staff I control the budget for. I have a finite amount of money I am allowed spend on these staff members, with the sales guys commission potential capped. As an alternative to uncapped commission, I am allowed increase basic salaries for the FOLLOWING Year if I have star performers, but I can't spend 1 cent over my budget. If I have star performers, I will also have people who can't cut the mustard.....and therefore, they go, freeing up the money for these annual pay increases.
So, if an NRL club thinks that international caps, bonuses etc will impact on their budget, they should adjust them accordingly. Instead of overspending, they may well end up with asurplus which they can use to reward their stars, rather than overpaying them.
I still say that no other Business operates in such a way that they can overspend on wages........and to those that say if you restrict the earning potential of stars they will jump codes...so what? People change jobs for better money all the time....I know I have, but that is a discussion about the size of the cap, not breaching it.

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Quote: gutterfax "Like any business, the clubs must surely forecast and budget for these "payments".

At the start of the year, I have 30 staff I control the budget for. I have a finite amount of money I am allowed spend on these staff members, with the sales guys commission potential capped. As an alternative to uncapped commission, I am allowed increase basic salaries for the FOLLOWING Year if I have star performers, but I can't spend 1 cent over my budget. If I have star performers, I will also have people who can't cut the mustard.....and therefore, they go, freeing up the money for these annual pay increases.
So, if an NRL club thinks that international caps, bonuses etc will impact on their budget, they should adjust them accordingly. Instead of overspending, they may well end up with asurplus which they can use to reward their stars, rather than overpaying them.
I still say that no other Business operates in such a way that they can overspend on wages........and to those that say if you restrict the earning potential of stars they will jump codes...so what? People change jobs for better money all the time....I know I have, but that is a discussion about the size of the cap, not breaching it.'"


Spot on , I was directly involved with sorting out the NL 1 salary cap at Leigh when it was introduced in 2004 , it is relatively simple , you assume that whatever bonuses that are in any players contract will be paid to the maximum amount and restrict your spending accordingley , if you do have anything left over [ assuming you actually have the cash ] you are then free to dish it as you see fit , there are no excuses

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Starbug "Spot on , I was directly involved with sorting out the NL 1 salary cap at Leigh when it was introduced in 2004 , it is relatively simple , you assume that whatever bonuses that are in any players contract will be paid to the maximum amount and restrict your spending accordingley , if you do have anything left over [ assuming you actually have the cash ] you are then free to dish it as you see fit , there are no excuses'"

Jesus...if someone from Leigh can figure it out, then even people from Cronulla should find it simple icon_cool.gif
Sorry.....but breach of the cap is breach of the cap...no matter how it happened and all breaches should be treated accordingly....especially Wigan icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Spot on , I was directly involved with sorting out the NL 1 salary cap at Leigh when it was introduced in 2004 , it is relatively simple , you assume that whatever bonuses that are in any players contract will be paid to the maximum amount and restrict your spending accordingley , if you do have anything left over [ assuming you actually have the cash ] you are then free to dish it as you see fit , there are no excuses'"


Fair enough. Then why does it happen?

Didn't Saints get caught out a few years ago because of a slight overspend explained at the time as being due to payment of bonuses due to international selection?

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Quote: gutterfax "Like any business, the clubs must surely forecast and budget for these "payments".

At the start of the year, I have 30 staff I control the budget for. I have a finite amount of money I am allowed spend on these staff members, with the sales guys commission potential capped. As an alternative to uncapped commission, I am allowed increase basic salaries for the FOLLOWING Year if I have star performers, but I can't spend 1 cent over my budget. If I have star performers, I will also have people who can't cut the mustard.....and therefore, they go, freeing up the money for these annual pay increases.
So, if an NRL club thinks that international caps, bonuses etc will impact on their budget, they should adjust them accordingly. Instead of overspending, they may well end up with asurplus which they can use to reward their stars, rather than overpaying them.
I still say that no other Business operates in such a way that they can overspend on wages........and to those that say if you restrict the earning potential of stars they will jump codes...so what? People change jobs for better money all the time....I know I have, but that is a discussion about the size of the cap, not breaching it.'"


I don't know how RL players contracts are structured but I imagine that with fixed salaries and capped commission it is fairly easy to operate within a fixed budget.

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The bonus payments are part of the problem. And it's okay to say that clubs should forecast potential bonus payments and take the maximum value of these payments into account. But when some involve rep payments it makes it hard. If every player received a bonus for playing rep football and every player somehow made a rep side that might be a huge amount to take into account. It's not reasonable to expect a club to forecast that every single player will play rep football and therefore they need to account for rep bonuses for 25 players or more. So they probably account for some bonuses for rep footy, but not the absolute potential maximum amount that could be required. If they have had to pay $20,000 in bonuses for every year for five years they will probably budget for about that amount. But then one year they might get twice as many players picked for rep sides and have to fork out twice the bonsues, which is more than they bargained for. It's still their mistake and they are fined for it. It doesn't mean they are loathsome cap cheats that should be shot at dawn though.

But the main reason clubs go over the cap in minor ways is because of third party agreements. Players are allowed to earn money outside the game but only if these payments are not linked to the club. So sponsors of the club can't use a player to promote their product and then pay the player additional money to do so. This money would have to count on the cap. But where some clubs come unstuck is in the interpretation of what is an acceptable third party payment and what is not. Each situation can be different and clubs will sometimes claim that a third party payment is legit while the salary cap auditor will disagree. It might all depend on how strong the link between the club and the company involved is. The main thing is that the club reports these payments. The auditor will either agree that they are okay or disagree and add those figures to the salary total. If it pushes the club over the limit they can be fined.

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Quote: ECT "The bonus payments are part of the problem. And it's okay to say that clubs should forecast potential bonus payments and take the maximum value of these payments into account. But when some involve rep payments it makes it hard. If every player received a bonus for playing rep football and every player somehow made a rep side that might be a huge amount to take into account. It's not reasonable to expect a club to forecast that every single player will play rep football and therefore they need to account for rep bonuses for 25 players or more. So they probably account for some bonuses for rep footy, but not the absolute potential maximum amount that could be required. If they have had to pay $20,000 in bonuses for every year for five years they will probably budget for about that amount. But then one year they might get twice as many players picked for rep sides and have to fork out twice the bonsues, which is more than they bargained for. It's still their mistake and they are fined for it. It doesn't mean they are loathsome cap cheats that should be shot at dawn though.

But the main reason clubs go over the cap in minor ways is because of third party agreements. Players are allowed to earn money outside the game but only if these payments are not linked to the club. So sponsors of the club can't use a player to promote their product and then pay the player additional money to do so. This money would have to count on the cap. But where some clubs come unstuck is in the interpretation of what is an acceptable third party payment and what is not. Each situation can be different and clubs will sometimes claim that a third party payment is legit while the salary cap auditor will disagree. It might all depend on how strong the link between the club and the company involved is. The main thing is that the club reports these payments. The auditor will either agree that they are okay or disagree and add those figures to the salary total. If it pushes the club over the limit they can be fined.'"


Rep payments would need to be declared to the governing body prior to any season and they then become the governing bodies problem , as for 3 rd party payments , then same as , all it requires is for the club to contact the governing body and ask , if they dont they risk exceeding the cap

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Quote: gutterfax "Jesus...if someone from Leigh can figure it out, then even people from Cronulla should find it simple
Cheeky get icon_wink.gif , having said that , at the meetings the RFL hadn't figured most of it out , and were actually led by the clubs on several issues such as community work payments and player/coach payments at NL level

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Quote: Starbug "Rep payments would need to be declared to the governing body prior to any season and they then become the governing bodies problem , as for 3 rd party payments , then same as , all it requires is for the club to contact the governing body and ask , if they dont they risk exceeding the cap'"

It's not the governing body's problem. This is about players having clauses in their contract that says they will get bonus payments if they play rep football. Plenty of playes have this. And third party payments are generally done between player manager and company. It may be only later that the club has to declare these to the auditor even if they have nothing to do with it. Only a small fraction of these payments may be of any threat to the cap rules. It's only if/when the auditor interprets a breach of the rules that the issue is dealt with. If it was as easy as you make out there would be no problem, but clearly it is not. What must be of more concern is that SL doesn't seem to have a fulltime cap auditor. Who is monitoring the clubs over there?

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Quote: ECT "It's not the governing body's problem. This is about players having clauses in their contract that says they will get bonus payments if they play rep football. Plenty of playes have this. And third party payments are generally done between player manager and company. It may be only later that the club has to declare these to the auditor even if they have nothing to do with it. Only a small fraction of these payments may be of any threat to the cap rules. It's only if/when the auditor interprets a breach of the rules that the issue is dealt with. If it was as easy as you make out there would be no problem, but clearly it is not. What must be of more concern is that SL doesn't seem to have a fulltime cap auditor. Who is monitoring the clubs over there?'"



It is if they set the cap , are you telling me this was not raised when the SC was discussed , if so then both the clubs and the governing body are stupid

As for 3 rd party payments , what happens quite often is the clubs just keep quiet , hoping they dont get noticed , then plead ignorance , ie they cheat

The RFL do have a F/T SC auditor [ well they did up to 2006 ]

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Barnacle Bill "I don't know how RL players contracts are structured but I imagine that with fixed salaries and capped commission it is fairly easy to operate within a fixed budget.'"


Clubs have a fixed budget at the start of the season....it's called the salary cap. It is their job to stay beneath it......pure and simple. No "ifs, buts or maybe's"....stay under or get doscked points and fined.

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Quote: gutterfax "Clubs have a fixed budget at the start of the season....it's called the salary cap. It is their job to stay beneath it......pure and simple. No "ifs, buts or maybe's"....stay under or get doscked points and fined.'"


Well that's fine if you want to ignore the differences that RL players contracts present compared to a fixed salary and capped commission.

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St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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