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| I wish people would stop comparing Wellens with the likes of Slater etc... They're a class above Wellens. However thats not a bad thing when competing at Super League level.
Pace isent everything and we can rely on him to save matches and be passionate about his hometown team.
He seems to be like Leon Pryce. No matter how well he plays he still gets criticised by the opposition and neautrals.
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| Quote: trys'r'us "
Thing is though, a full back's main job is the last line of defence and I can't think of a better last line in SL that Wellens, plus he's that dependable under a towering bomb that you just think "oh well, Wellens is there". Saints defence is noticably less solid when he's out too.
And considering he has the pace of a snail (apparently), his try scoring record isn't too shabby....
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| Quote: MSH "Thing is though, a full back's main job is the last line of defence'"
That is the antiquated attitude most over here have still and that's why we've produced fullbacks like Wellens. It's starting to change a bit and the fullback is being used better at a lot of teams now (although that's still mainly in teams with antipodean fullbacks), but it's going to be a long time before we regularly start producing attacking options there from the junior levels upwards.
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| Let's get this straight, compare any fullback to the likes of Billy Slater and they will look average, the guy is a freak!
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| Quote: jonny the leyther "Let's get this straight, compare any fullback to the likes of Billy Slater and they will look average, the guy is a freak!'"
The comparison with others is always the problem. Wellans is one of the most reliable in SL. Do I think he's a world beater no, but definatley reliable. I too am baffled how he scores so many tries when he clearly 'lightning slow', but the stats don't lie.
I did like his comment during the interview about the players in the world cup........
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| Quote: jonny the leyther "Let's get this straight, compare any fullback to the likes of Billy Slater and they will look average, the guy is a freak!'"
What about comparing fullbacks to the likes of, to pick some names from recent years, Karmichael Hunt, Luke Patten, Clinton Schifcofske, David Peachey, Preston Campbell, Brett Stewart, Kurt Gidley, Brent Webb, Matt Bowen, Jarryd Hayne, Rhys Wesser, Nathan Merritt, Anthony Minichiello, Clint Greenshields, Brett Hodgson?
That's one from each NRL club from the last 5 years better than anything we've produced in the last 15. And I've kindly left it at just one, whilst also excluding Slater, because apparently it's not fair to compare our players with him. That means players like Darius Boyd, Ben Hornby, Wade McKinnon, Luke Burt, Amos Roberts aren't included and nor are youngsters just coming through like Josh Dugan, Lachlan Coote, etc.
It's not about picking a one off and comparing them, it's every single club, every year that has a better fullback than anything we've got.
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| Why does a truly great performance have to bring out the negative in so many people ? Some fans, honestly.....
I'm no Saints fan, nor an apologist for Paul Wellens, but he was absolutely outstanding on attack and defence on Sunday and the difference between Saints winning and losing.
He would never claim to be in the Billy Slater class but no one can question whether he made the most of his talent, giving 100% in every one of his 400 games.
Never mind slating Eddie Hemmings, the real dummy is the reporter (James Robertson) from League Weekly who gave Wellens 6/10 for his performance at Wigan - while alongside his match report editor Danny Lockwood was describing the Saints full-back as 'sublime'.
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| I used to think Briscoe was a better FB than Wellens but PW'S performance against Wigan was fantastic, obviously you can't judge on one game alone but this year Wellens has been a class above Shaun Briscoe.
I thought Eddie Hemmings had every right to cream himself with Wellens' performance, he deserved MOTM, not Jamie Foster who looked shaky, but that was understandable.
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| Quote: ChampagneSuperRovers "I used to think Briscoe was a better FB than Wellens but PW'S performance against Wigan was fantastic, obviously you can't judge on one game alone but this year Wellens has been a class above Shaun Briscoe.
I thought Eddie Hemmings had every right to cream himself with Wellens' performance, he deserved MOTM, not Jamie Foster who looked shaky, but that was understandable.'"
Wellens was the difference in us winning and losing on Sunday.
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| For sheer consistency, Wellens' only British rival in the Super League era is Radlinski. For a decade he has been a rock for Saints.
Briscoe has his moments (obviously his 4 tries at Odsal when the Bulls were good) but they are too few and far between to stand any comparison with Wellens.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Wellens is a player who performs above his station and has done for a decade. People constantly criticise his lack of pace, but at 30 he's still winning games for Saints. His defense against Wigan was sensational, taking everything they threw at him and dumping Carmont in touch to save a sure try. He also scored a vital try in the game.
We've not had any top fullbacks in Super League. Wellens is by far the best English fullback there has been in that time, consistent and inspirational.'"
Saddened you two faced g1t.
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| Quote: trys'r'us "What about comparing fullbacks to the likes of, to pick some names from recent years, Karmichael Hunt, Luke Patten, Clinton Schifcofske, David Peachey, Preston Campbell, Brett Stewart, Kurt Gidley, Brent Webb, Matt Bowen, Jarryd Hayne, Rhys Wesser, Nathan Merritt, Anthony Minichiello, Clint Greenshields, Brett Hodgson?
That's one from each NRL club from the last 5 years better than anything we've produced in the last 15. And I've kindly left it at just one, whilst also excluding Slater, because apparently it's not fair to compare our players with him. That means players like Darius Boyd, Ben Hornby, Wade McKinnon, Luke Burt, Amos Roberts aren't included and nor are youngsters just coming through like Josh Dugan, Lachlan Coote, etc.
It's not about picking a one off and comparing them, it's every single club, every year that has a better fullback than anything we've got.'"
I'm not convinced that every single one of the players you've named are better fullbacks than Wellens or Radlinski. A number of those players have their own flaws, so I wouldn't hype them up too much. You also have to consider how those players fit into the sides they play in, someone like Preston Campbell for example is really a halfback whose converted into an attacking fullback because his clubs have worked out he's more influential there than as a halfback proper. Amos Roberts is a decent wing/fullback, but I wouldn't have him in front of Wellens, same with Clint Greenshields, I'm not even convinced I'd take Brett Hodgson over Wellens, but again it really depends on the balance of the side, particularly the defensive capabilities of the outside backs.
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| Hemmings is not as bad as Clarke is about Wigan the mans sickofantic.
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| Quote: BOYD2 "Hemmings is not as bad as Clarke is about Wigan the mans sickofantic.'"
But isn't he an ex Wigan player??
Obviously he is going to support his former club!
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| When a bomb goes up, we like to remind the kicker "We've got Paul Wellens', d*ckh3ad."
I would struggle to reach two hands to think of the amount of times he has missed a bomb.
He would never have been a Minichello, or Slater, he lacked the pace, but he supplied Saimts with years of passion, dependability and quite often a game turning tackle.
I love him, Saints fans love him, and we will hold him in high regard for years to come.
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