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15431.jpg In a debate about why the CC final isnt in HD.
[quote="Gazemous":1jjuuzre]Northerners can't afford HD, what's the point?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="TheBigFella":1jjuuzre]Im a Northerner and Ive got HD. C0ck. We could also probably buy 3 to 4 houses for what you would pay for 1, doesnt that tell you something.[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="Big Graeme":1jjuuzre]No one wants to live near you?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
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[quote="Paddock Punter":1jjuuzre]I did enjoy asking Bill Arthur at half time as he was walking past a long string of cables which one I could pull out so I could f**k their weekend up as well.[/quote:1jjuuzre]:15431.jpg |
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| How about making the attendences of Championship teams rise first before trying to expand the game at all, with current heartland clubs going under, how is a new expansion club going to survive anyway,
Because it's just outside the heartlands?
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: vikings 4 ever "I obviously disagree. With the backing we have now, I think Widnes can have a similar effect to what Hull KR have had - maybe not to the same degree, but certainly I wouldn't expect us to be just making up the numbers at the bottom of the league year after year.
If people remember back to 2002, in our 1st season in SL, we did very well and just missed out on the playoffs in the last few weeks of the season. IMO it was a big missed opportunity that we didn't build on that season. If we get back into SL, we will have had 6 seasons out of the top flight and in that time we have maintained an u18's, u21's extensive community dept as well as nationally if not internationally recognised sponsors. We might not be the exciting choice such as Paris, Toulouse or somewhere in Spain, but then again last time I looked Castleford, Salford or even St Helens were not exactly exciting places to visit either. IMO we have earned the right at another shot at SL and if it doesn't work out SL won't be any worse off after 3 years.'"
Your preaching to the converted mate.
Widnes are my choice! They must be in next time around. I agree with all you just said.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: tim791 "How about making the attendences of Championship teams rise first before trying to expand the game at all, with current heartland clubs going under, how is a new expansion club going to survive anyway,
Because it's just outside the heartlands?'"
Thats basically what I am trying to say. We also need criteria for the championship to make it a stronger league. All our other rival sports have better 2nd divisions than us.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
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| Quote: tim791 "How about making the attendences of Championship teams rise first before trying to expand the game at all, with current heartland clubs going under, how is a new expansion club going to survive anyway,
Because it's just outside the heartlands?'"
Ask the RFL about that , they seem to just want them to find a sugar daddy rather than look at real workable initiatives to help the Championship clubs build bigger fan bases and therefore have a more secure future
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Odemwingie "Thats basically what I am trying to say. We also need criteria for the championship to make it a stronger league. All our other rival sports have better 2nd divisions than us.'"
Dont really see what you are suggesting here , could you expand on things
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| yeah getting existing SL clubs to expand their current areas a bit is a great idea
shame it took 130 yrs to think of it
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: dally messenger "yeah getting existing SL clubs to expand their current areas a bit is a great idea
shame it took 130 yrs to think of it'"
I know I am going to regret this but , the UK is different to Australia in that you only have maybe a dozen centres of population separated by long distances , whereas we have many more towns much closer together , therefore the options to expand the sport are different
The satelite way of ' pin sticking is basically the only way in Oz , over here there is the option of spreading maybe 40/50 miles at a time
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15431.jpg In a debate about why the CC final isnt in HD.
[quote="Gazemous":1jjuuzre]Northerners can't afford HD, what's the point?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="TheBigFella":1jjuuzre]Im a Northerner and Ive got HD. C0ck. We could also probably buy 3 to 4 houses for what you would pay for 1, doesnt that tell you something.[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="Big Graeme":1jjuuzre]No one wants to live near you?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
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[quote="Paddock Punter":1jjuuzre]I did enjoy asking Bill Arthur at half time as he was walking past a long string of cables which one I could pull out so I could f**k their weekend up as well.[/quote:1jjuuzre]:15431.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "Dont really see what you are suggesting here , could you expand on things'"
I think hes implying attendences.
They simply aren't good enough to be thinking about new teams even close to them, how will they survive if new teams come up and then some existing fans go to them instead, we will have more bankrupt clubs.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: tim791 "I think hes implying attendences.
They simply aren't good enough to be thinking about new teams even close to them, how will they survive if new teams come up and then some existing fans go to them instead, we will have more bankrupt clubs.'"
He did say ' Criteria ' , which is what ? , if it is attendances then How ?
As for Championship clubs losing support from potential new clubs 40 miles away , not a problem many would be too bothered about , most clubs have enough potential fans within a few miles to keep them alive , getting them to the games should be the focus
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| Quote: dally messenger "yeah getting existing SL clubs to expand their current areas a bit is a great idea
shame it took 130 yrs to think of it'"
Great input again corkhatter. Concentrate on the problems your own competition has, rather than worry about ours.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: a.n Other "Great input again corkhatter. Concertrate on the problems your own competition has, rather than worry about ours.'"
Oi , dont you come on here upsetting my mate
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| Quote: tim791 "So you think we should get rid of all existing expansion clubs and just start up a new set closer to the heartlands??
It's hardly expansion really is it?'"
Err... where did he say ANYTHING like that?
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| Quote: HKRCraig "Hull KR have set up a rugby league academy in Northern Lincolnshire (outside of their traditional ''territory'' with the hope of attracting new players and supporters of RL.
“The rugby league academy is giving youngsters in Northern Lincolnshire an opportunity they haven’t really had before to play the game and is helping the sport grow beyond the traditional heartlands.”
It's an excellent idea, and I applaud Hull KR for it. It's something similar to what I've suggested in the past that all clubs do. Expanding the player bases around the clubs will make them clubs stronger as well as expand the game. If these areas get strong enough, they may be able to start Championship teams, and then they may try to expand their player base, and so on.
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| Quote: spooneryork "
Have you noticed the difference between Catalans and the rest, though?
Catalans were an established club in a fairly strong rugby league area. They were given 4 years notice to build a club.
Gateshead and Paris were dropped in and expected to start from scratch.
Quins and Crusaders weren't established enough and moved up too early.
And Skolars and Gateshead are doing really well to still be going. Gateshead were the whipping boys for years, and then finally came good (maybe just a bit too soon for the 2nd tier though). Same with Blackpool, they're becoming competitive now.
The one time it has worked, they had four years to prepare and were already established. Is that the key?
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15431.jpg In a debate about why the CC final isnt in HD.
[quote="Gazemous":1jjuuzre]Northerners can't afford HD, what's the point?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="TheBigFella":1jjuuzre]Im a Northerner and Ive got HD. C0ck. We could also probably buy 3 to 4 houses for what you would pay for 1, doesnt that tell you something.[/quote:1jjuuzre]
[quote="Big Graeme":1jjuuzre]No one wants to live near you?[/quote:1jjuuzre]
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[quote="Paddock Punter":1jjuuzre]I did enjoy asking Bill Arthur at half time as he was walking past a long string of cables which one I could pull out so I could f**k their weekend up as well.[/quote:1jjuuzre]:15431.jpg |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Err... where did he say ANYTHING like that?'"
Quote: Wellsy13 "
Should this be the focus of RL to grow the game around the heartlands first rather then fast tracking remote areas of the country?'"
IMO of course, i believe this is where he said something slightly hinting towards it.
imo.
of course.
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