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| Quote: Bainsey123 "Balls to them two has beens.
They have had their chance on many occasion and have failed to produce anything like what an International player should.
Good on TS for dropping them just like he did with the likes of Pryce & Gardner.'"
Keith Senior wasn't dropped, he's retired from internationals otherwise he would have walked in.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "I don't think Sinfield will be big enough to play loose against Aus, but the only other option is Burgess and we will need his size at prop.
But if you compare Sinfield to Watmough who played 13 last week, well, there is no comparison really is there.'"
Not in size no, but their is more to rugby than size! Can he kick goals from the touchline like sinfield can? Can he Pass the ball 50 yards either way and put it into a team-mates hands? Can he take control of a game like sinfield can? Is he a leader? Can he kick a ball in general play and put it exactly where he wants it to go?
The answer to all them is no, so although Watmough is much bigger, stronger and better defensively it doesn't make him a better player!
England allready have a massive pack so i think we can allow for 1 guy at the back of it directing operations.
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WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
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Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
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CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
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| well said...
kev is more likely to play as a 2nd stand off than a watmough like 2nd rower/lock
and he really needs to play that midfield general role he does for leeds and take some pressure of the halves,particually tomkins who will be targeted
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| Quote: RLfan7 "Can he kick goals from the touchline like sinfield can? Can he Pass the ball 50 yards either way and put it into a team-mates hands? Can he take control of a game like sinfield can? Is he a leader? Can he kick a ball in general play and put it exactly where he wants it to go?'"
I've never seen Sinfield do any of those things in a Test. Not one, I don't think, though i'll issue benefit of doubt for a sideline conversion.
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| Quote: CGD "I've never seen Sinfield do any of those things in a Test. Not one, I don't think, though i'll issue benefit of doubt for a sideline conversion.'"
Sinfield has never been given a run in the team thats why, 1 poor game and he would be dropped. Smith needs to pick his core players and stick with them to give them game time together.
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| Reckon Peacock will do 80 in second row or Crabtree come on at second row with Peacock shifting to prop?
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| Quote: Grimmy "Reckon Peacock will do 80 in second row or Crabtree come on at second row with Peacock shifting to prop?'"
Yeah i think maybe Ellis to do 80. When Burgess and Crabtree come on (probably together) for Graham and Morley i think Peacock will move upto prop with Crabtree with ellis and burgess in backrow.
Where do you think he's gunna bring Eastmond on?
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| The threequarters are the poorest I've seen in over fifty years to represent our country ![Crying or Very sad icon_cry.gif](images/smilies//icon_cry.gif) I'm glad Tomkins has been given a run on his home ground i'm sure Smith will have told him to play his natural game.
McGuire and Sinfields last chance for me at international level, both good Super League players but dont perform at a higher level their field kicking, in the past, has been absymal! they have got to run Slater about with short then long kicks otherwise it'll be ................... ops! ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: kirkhall "The threequarters are the poorest I've seen in over fifty years to represent our country
its ok saying that but their is no one better at the moment. I disagree that they dnt perform, last year at world cup it was a whole squad thing but i still think mcguire was one of our better players and the year before that when we beat kiwis in the test series he played very well so dnt really know where you get your view from.
Sinfield needs a run of games with the same halfs, youve got no chance if these lads arnt given a bit of time to gel together, they need to build an understanding and changing a team (especially half backs) every game is not helping anybody. It would have made sense to pick the Leeds 6,7,13 combination.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: RLfan7 "Keith Senior wasn't dropped, he's retired from internationals otherwise he would have walked in.'"
He made himself available for selection again before the sqaud was picked, tony smith simply decided not to pick him.
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32116.jpg when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....
......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......
big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'
[quote="chissitt":3gx4tjo6]Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. [/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="vastman":3gx4tjo6]Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Leyther_Matt":3gx4tjo6]The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Bolton_Warrior":3gx4tjo6]The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
[quote="Danril":3gx4tjo6] Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.[/quote:3gx4tjo6]
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| Quote: Dico "Seniors past it, gleesons performed at this level many a time'"
I've been a big fan of gleeson over the years but he didnt perform in the world cup (admittadley he was nowhere near the worst offender) and has had his worst season that i can remember. I'd say smith was right not to pick him, it might just give the kick up the a*se he needs to bring his game back up to its former level and give us some more options for centre next year.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| apparently senior did'nt get in touch with tony smith himself to tell him he came out of retirement...
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| Quote: roughyedspud "apparently senior did'nt get in touch with tony smith himself to tell him he came out of retirement...'"
Yeah i heard that, surely its up to Smith though to ask the player, Keith probably just didn't want to blow his own trumpet to much and take selection for granted, he was making enough noises to suggest that if the call came he would have played!
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| keith has blown his own trump, if he wanted to play he should have made that clear to the coach...not gone to the press and said "if you want me come and ask me"
it's that kind of attitude that cocked our world cup up...we're a team not a group of individuals
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| Disagree, Its down to the coach.
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