These clubs do not "have" better stadia, they play in better stadia that are owned either by other sports clubs or (e.g. Leigh & Widnes) by the local council. Although there is nothing necessarily wrong with that it does make them less secure than clubs which own their own stadium, e.g. Warrington.

The point is, they have it sorted even if it is a shared ground or it's owned by the council! The point is they are playing in stadia that is up to date.

Get it sorted! They have had years.

Your missing my point.

Leigh, Widnes and Halifax have done a lot more so far than the bigger clubs.

I understand it takes a lot of effort and time but these three most of the time being out of super league have been able to do it.

Warrington who a few years ago were a smaller club than now have also been able to do it. Leeds have been able to extend their ground to get it upto standard. Bradford have done the same (although it is a bit crap). Hull KR are very close to building a new stand and yet have only been in super league 3 years.

But all the clubs mentioned have either a sugar daddy to back it or have a supportive council, what happens if you have neither?

Then it's your fault, because the Wigan fan says so

Don't give me that. With good plans any council will be supportive both financially and in any other way they can.

Hard to see Sheffield drawing 8,000+ which should be our aim for any new team.

Tell Wakefield council that, wont give either club a thing, and neither club will share because they both have their own land for stadiums (one already has had ground works done on it mind).

I don't think anyone thinks they can make it to super league.

I would say 5,000 is the target for a club below super league, I think that would justify a place.

Unfortunately, a district such as Wakefield does not have unlimited cash, nor is it able to hand out sackfuls of cash to not ONE like most councils but TWO potentially three clubs all with aspirations of building new stadiums.

No wakefield council have publically stated that they will not give cas, wakey or fev a single penny towards the stadiums.

The only assistance they have offered the clubs is to lend us land to borrow money against.

Maybe where you live the councils are different but our council has no money having lost all its funds in the iceland banking collapse, even before which wakefield district council had been critiscised for being badly run and incompetant.

If wakefield and castleford (as well as fev) want to finance a new ground we have to do it ourselves- no council money, no F.A. grant for sharing with a football club.

Great news for me - Bramall Lane is a 5 minute walk from my place and Hull don't play on Sundays.

Agree, facilities or throw them out, enough chances - time to act.