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Quote: Jake the Peg "Proof if it were needed that there aren't enough players to make 14 decent sides'"


This. Everyone who thought that there wouldn't be enough decent players for 14 teams before the expansion, give yourself a big pat on the back.

Presumably they are hoping that the added teams (Salford and Crusaders) will be able to develop new youngsters that will fill the gap. This seems a bit unlikely in Salford- there are plenty of other teams around there who could take a young player on, so I don't think having Salford in SL adds much from a player point of view.

The Crusaders this year have been a non-stop disaster, but even in a best case scenario, I'd doubt you'd be seeing new players coming off the production line straight away.

Quote: Jake the Peg "I blame the salary cap.'"


This too. I think this season gives the lie to the idea that there are thousands of say Wakefield and Huddersfield supporters who will turn up if they feel their team has got a chance of winning something. If you level out all of the teams all it does is reduce the crowds at the best supported teams.

Plus it allows our best players to escape, or possibly not take up the game as a career in the first place if they feel they can't earn top money doing it.

Quote: Jake the Peg "and that scrapping relegation just encourages averageness'"


Not so sure about this though.

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Quote: The Astonishing Skippy "This. Everyone who thought that there wouldn't be enough decent players for 14 teams before the expansion, give yourself a big pat on the back.

Presumably they are hoping that the added teams (Salford and Crusaders) will be able to develop new youngsters that will fill the gap. This seems a bit unlikely in Salford- there are plenty of other teams around there who could take a young player on, so I don't think having Salford in SL adds much from a player point of view.

The Crusaders this year have been a non-stop disaster, but even in a best case scenario, I'd doubt you'd be seeing new players coming off the production line straight away.


This too. I think this season gives the lie to the idea that there are thousands of say Wakefield and Huddersfield supporters who will turn up if they feel their team has got a chance of winning something. If you level out all of the teams all it does is reduce the crowds at the best supported teams.

Plus it allows our best players to escape, or possibly not take up the game as a career in the first place if they feel they can't earn top money doing it.



Not so sure about this though.'"


I can't agree with the Salary Cap comment - it isn't there to grow the supportor base, it's there to protect the clubs from themselves

Without the Salary Cap, Dave Whelen would have bought the Super League title 5 years ago and several other clubs would have gone bust trying to keep up...

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Quote: Dunbar "I can't agree with the Salary Cap comment - it isn't there to grow the supportor base, it's there to protect the clubs from themselves

Without the Salary Cap, Dave Whelen would have bought the Super League title 5 years ago and several other clubs would have gone bust trying to keep up...'"


I'm not against the cap. I'd raise the salary cap to £2.5m .

That would stop the big teams buying all of the good players and then buying all of the second best players and keeping them on the bench, and then buying all of the third best players and using them to make the tea (what used to be known in Soccer as doing a Chelsea, until the bonkers Arabs showed up). But it would still allow the best supported teams to field the best teams on the pitch, whilst still giving the lower teams the chance to build. It would also protect the clubs from themselves, as you rightly point out.

There has been a lot of emphasis on "won't it be great when all of the teams are spending the full cap"- well, it isn't necessarily so.

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Quote: Code13 "Other than that, I think UllFC has a massive chip on his shoulder about something, dont know what though. Still, dire as the game was, it was too good for Hull to get even close this season.

maybe thats whats bothering him?'"

The thing is that we [idid[/i get close. As dire as we were this season, we were in with a shout of scraping into the playoffs right up until 2/3 games from the end of the season. And with even a small amount of luck in a couple of games we actually would have made it.

That can't be a good thing, surely?

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Proof if it were needed that there aren't enough players to make 14 decent sides and that scrapping relegation just encourages averagenness'"

Agree with the first part, but not sure how scrapping relegation has an impact on the quality of the playoff games.

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Quote: The Astonishing Skippy "This. Everyone who thought that there wouldn't be enough decent players for 14 teams before the expansion, give yourself a big pat on the back. '"


Quite right. Imagine how tight it would have been this year with only 12 teams. I'm more concerned though about the slowing of the PTB down but only because it's out of sync with the NRL. We need to operate at the same speed across all competitions. It's ludicrous that the two premier competitions in our sport operate on different rule interpretations. It just shows how insular the Australians are when it comes to RL. They're Jodie Marsh to the Americans Jordan.

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Quote: McClennan "It just shows how insular the Australians are when it comes to RL. They're Jodie Marsh to the Americans Jordan.'"

When you're the best, you don't adapt to copy what the rest are doing.

The thing is whether it's a fast ptb, or a slow ptb - we can't play it to anything like the standard they do down under anyway.

Still, as long as the league is close, and we can blame anyone else from the refs to the Aussies for our failings - who really cares if the product is sub-standard?

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Quote: wire-quin "
I think the game is going through a transition at the moment from lots of Aussies to fewer, whilst being replaced with young British players. Hopefully once the transition finishes and the British player get better(older) the game will pick up.'"

To me, the first year of franchise was always going to have a lower skill level, simply because the top players of 12 clubs are now split between 14. Obviously the level of play has to go down because we can't find top players to fill the gaps overnight.
The + side has already been seen, all clubs finding new SL quality players this year, players who will be even better next year. Give gthe debutants an off-season and if they improve as much as the Catalans players improved between year 1 & 2 then we will see an incredible 14 team league next year, with the bonus being felt by the national squads.

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Quote: Johnoco "Generally, I'd agree. I think this year has been very average and it started one or two seasons ago with this new pedantic reffing style. The fact is that so far, the play off games have been poor. If it doesn't improve, they must have a rethink and IMO go back to the top 5 play offs.

A few years back, all the sky hyperbole rang true. It did seem to get better every season but just seems to be stagnating now. I'm not even sure it's down to relegation or not, it seems to be down to officiating IMO.'"


Totally agree withall these comments,also a couple of weeks ago i got slated on here for saying that the quality of rugby this season has been very poor IMO.

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I'm not sure if i've any justifiacation in saying this, but IMO some of the traditionally "bigger" sides- warrington, bradford and Hull failing to make the playoffs have hampered it's impact this year. Although the league table doesn't lie, and certainly no-one has a right to be there, these team are more likely to bring a larger travelling fanbase then catalans, hudds and wakey, creating atmosphere adding to the intensity.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong with average crowd data etc but as a leeds fan- playing eg bradford in the semi would fill me with more excitement then some of the other teams.

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Quote: Asim "When you're the best, you don't adapt to copy what the rest are doing.

The thing is whether it's a fast ptb, or a slow ptb - we can't play it to anything like the standard they do down under anyway.

Still, as long as the league is close, and we can blame anyone else from the refs to the Aussies for our failings - [sizewho really cares if the product is sub-standard?[/size'"


At least you're an honest pom.

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