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| All credit where it's due, that was a very interesting read and very professionally set out. Very easy to navigate and sponsor links very easily accessible. Well done, Saints.
As for the articles. Eamon McMannus has made some good point, but I don't necessarily agree with them. He talks about the league becoming an afterthought to the play-offs due to the size of them, but if the play-offs only involved the top three then the league wouldn't even be a thought to many teams. If there were a greater number of professional clubs in many leagues like there is in football and to an extent RU, then yeah this may be viable as you could have UEFA Cup and European CC style competitions for those not in the top. But we don't, and have to play to what we've got at the moment. I don't think he would think the same if he didn't run a team that consistently finishes in the top 3.
The Abi Ekoku piece was interesting also, but in some areas I don't think it was very well thought out (and there were a few glaring errors: i.e. Leeds vs Canterbury last year? That was 2004, Abi! Melbourne last year, mate!). Expanding the WCC is interesting, but is it possible and how? He didn't really offer many ways it would be viable. Playing the game in London I am an advocate of, but ONLY if it is announced a year in advance and consistently there so fans can grow attatched to it. More Aussie fans would go (many expats there), more media attention and more prestigious venues there than up here. One possible way to expand it would be to give the top 2 SL teams (or CC winners and GF winners) a bye in the Challenge Cup to the 5th round, freeing them up for one more week. Food for thought?
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For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
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| Quote: Easty "What the heck is he spouting for he could atleast get his facts correct.
Hull KR's Reserves are 4th in the table our U18's are joint top with a 100% record. It makes it worse as our foundation team played St Helens in there 1st match at weekend losing 34-36.
Is the guy a clown?'"
Yes
An ignorant one.
Gardner - Barrow
Gilmore - Wigan
Pryce - Bradford
Long - Wigan
Hargreaves - Wigan
Wilkin - HKR
Meli, Gidley, Puletua, Cayless and Flannery overseas.
Q.E.D.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Try this,
Ainscough, Tomkins (X2 or 3) Hock, O'Loughlin, Hansen, Prescott, O'Carroll, McIlorum, etc.'"
As he said any promising youngsters of note.
Ainscough is useless in defence and under the high bomb. Yes he may have scored a lot of tries but the vast majority of these have been walk in tries. I seem to remember Colbon scoring loads of walk in tries last year but where is he now... Sam Tomkins is not a patch on Myler and Eastmond and apart from pace hasnt got much to his game. These two players in particular are your typical overated Wigan youngsters who wont be there in a few years time.
O'Loughlin works hard but seemingly many Wigan fans dont even rate him.
Hock is more often poor than he is good.
Joel Tomkins, O'Carroll, Prescott, McIlorum, Hansen are all average at best.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Try this,
Ainscough, Tomkins (X2 or 3) Hock, O'Loughlin, Hansen, Prescott, O'Carroll, McIlorum, etc.'"
You are basically just listing all the average british players that Wigan kept hold of.
St Helens could have kept Smith, Tyrer, Hardman etc, played them in the first team and patted ourselves on the back about our youth policy, whilst languishing mid table like Wigan.
The key is quality, not quantity
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Eurob0y "You are basically just listing all the average british players that Wigan kept hold of.
St Helens could have kept Smith, Tyrer, Hardman etc, played them in the first team and patted ourselves on the back about our youth policy, whilst languishing mid table like Wigan.
The key is quality, not quantity'"
And which "quality" Saints youngsters would these be?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "And which "quality" Saints youngsters would these be?'"
3 of them have won the man of steel
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Eurob0y "3 of them have won the man of steel'"
Which current youngsters have Saints produced? In the oldest team in Superleague.
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| Quote: cherrydevil "As he said any promising youngsters of note.
Ainscough is useless in defence and under the high bomb. Yes he may have scored a lot of tries but the vast majority of these have been walk in tries. I seem to remember Colbon scoring loads of walk in tries last year but where is he now... Sam Tomkins is not a patch on Myler and Eastmond and apart from pace hasnt got much to his game. These two players in particular are your typical overated Wigan youngsters who wont be there in a few years time.
O'Loughlin works hard but seemingly many Wigan fans dont even rate him.
Hock is more often poor than he is good.
Joel Tomkins, O'Carroll, Prescott, McIlorum, Hansen are all average at best.'"
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| Quote: pmarrow "Is this another we are St Helens and love ourselfs thread ?'"
It will slowly turn into a Wigan aren't famous anymore but I can't stop going on about them thread. (See Eurob0y's posts as a reference)
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Which current youngsters have Saints produced? In the oldest team in Superleague.'"
Rogues, take off the Cherry and White specs. It won't kill you
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: cherrydevil "Ah the riposte of someontop that has no argument
And the oldest team in Superleague is at the top.
Strange world eh.
How's Salford doing?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "And the oldest team in Superleague is at the top.?'"
I am sure that most fans would gladly have the oldest team in Super League if that meant them sitting on top of the league and regularly winning honours.
Quote: Rogues Gallery "How's Salford doing?'"
Crap but at the same time not that much worse than established Super League clubs like Wigan, Bradford and Warrington. At least Salford fans are realistic.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| But I thought "the Saints way" was to have a team of outstanding locally produced youngsters.
Make your mind up.
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| Quote: Eurob0y "The first paragraph, in the McManus article, should be heeded by all clubs bar Leeds.
It still amazes me that clubs like Wigan, with an abundance of local youths playing, still cant really produce any young players of note. I also cant understand why randoms like Hull Kr, dont even have a youth policy.
3 of the 4 last men of steel have all been produced by St Helens RLFC.
The 2 leading teams in SL, Saints and Leeds, have both relied on local talent, whilst teams like wigan still persist in bringing over $hite like Tim Smith, Amos Roberts, some fat hooker etc. I wont even begin to go into the foreign $hite at teams like Hull KR, Hull FC, Castleford etc.
Its time for these clubs to put their resources into the youth system.'"
EUROBOY GET A GRIP.
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