I refer to why would the RFL demand that clubs that already have f/t commercial and marketing staff employ yet more people to do the same job already being done to access this money

But then this is the RFL

Do the Quins have a full time CEO and marketing man yet ? , maybe they shouldn't get the 1.2 million until they have

Or maybe the Celtic Crusaders as well

One other question -

Do Super League clubs tend to make a lot over the course of a season?

Or do they just about break even?

A lot of football clubs are running in the red, so to speak, and don't ever seem to make anything in terms of profit.

Any ideas people.

Leeds make a profit , another 5/6 break even or thereabouts , the rest have people tipping in every year

Having said that this year with the extra should ' should ' see most break even

I suppose a lot depends on how much of the salary cap you spend etc.

I think Warrington in theory make a profit but on the shareholders sheets it says we're paying Simon Moran a loan back. I can't remember the details now but I saw it on last years documentation. We're in a healthy position anyway

I hope we can develop into a club that are self sustainable.

I think it could be a way off but not unachievable.

Some very rough guestimates about incomes:

RFL grant = 1.1million (although nobody has been able to refernece that sa a fact)
Gates= 1.5million+ (avergae 7,000)
Sponsorship, merchandise etc 400k+

means most clubs should be at the 3million+ income level

Salaries for players, coaches etc is probably somewhere around 2million so not sure why clubs don't make profits.

Don't forget JB how much it actually costs to run and service a stadium come match days and in the off season! Add to that any debts or the money being plugged into grass roots/development. I also reckon the higher spending salary cap clubs are hitting the 2.3/2.5 million mark for all wages concerned in running the business side of things along with the playing/coaching staff. But yerr any club averaging over 7000ish should be breaking even I reckon.

RL clubs arent supposed to make a profits. in the NRL only 1 or 2 do make profits, the rest rely on income from other sources (leagues club, sugar daddy, news ltd) to cover the shortfall each clubs has

to operate an NRL club you need around $15 million, the top clubs spend $20 million, whilst the amount of money from TV is only around $3.5 million

why would i care if the stadium has hot water or not??? it's not our stadium



and i can tell you now we don't make a profit either

It's a bit different in Australia though Dally, especially in the running costs.
In the UK clubs are run as a business that hopefully will be self sustaining.
There are some clubs with sugar daddies and without them the club would struggle but there's certainly a few clubs self sustaining/profit making, thinking, Leeds, Wigan, Hull, Warrington, Hull KR, Catalans. I bet Huddersfield arent FAR off either this year.

think its fairly similar.

in SL, if you want to spend the full salary cap then in general you need an outside backer as crowds, sponsorship and TV arent enough (maybe wigan are self sustaining, and probably leeds as well?)

which is what it is in the nrl except for the broncos.

with the current salary cap the broncos can spend the full amount and still make a profit of $2 - 3 million pa.