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Quote: Richard1 "Our national coaches seem to like picking half backs for GB/England that do not have the allround skills to play at that level. '"


go on then who would you have picked that is eligible that has these all round skills to play at that level?

If you say Brough, what are you basing it on?

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Quote: Newton-Le-willows-Warrior "1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ryan Hall
3. Jack Reed
4. Krik Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Rangi Chase
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Chris Heightington

14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Gareth Carvell
16. Adrian Morley
17. John Wilkin

I wouldn't start Sinfield at loose the majority of his rugby has been played at 6 this year! keep him on the bench for utility reasons.'"


Its a good option but Sinfield has probably been the best pressure goal kicker this season. Who do you go for as goal kicker with him in the bench? Westwood or Widdop?

With that bench, Sinfield would probably have to play a bit of hooker. His 3rd choice position? We might come unstuck there.

I wish we would give a young prop a go. Peacock and Morley can't play forever. No idea why Bailey is in the squad and Mossop isn't.

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Quote: Durham Giant "Anyone who puts McGuire in before Brough is mad.

Brough came back from injury and was playing in a very poor side. We had NO go forwards from our pack for the last two months. Any good half will struggle when their pack is on the back fot. Roby would have looked crap behind our pack in the last two months.


Brough has the ability to kick and pass and do something different that would have given the England team options. McGuire will only do something if someone else creates the space for him.

McGuire has been a FAILURE at INTERNATIONAL level whenever he has been picked.

He is a back up player and offers litle else.

Dont talk about organising things as Sinfield does that for Leeds. Mc Banana has taken the easy option and done nothing to shake things up.

The squad is full of Leeds players who it is hard to make a case for. Winning the GF does not make them international quality players.'"

Agree with most of this. But there has been plenty of failures at this level so who would we pick? It is obvious he has gone for form over players who have the correct skill set at the top level. Would have liked to have seen some form players in alongside players who have the skills that carry over to internationals.

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Quote: christopher "go on then who would you have picked that is eligible that has these all round skills to play at that level?

If you say Brough, what are you basing it on?'"

Chase as much as i dont like him being eligable for Eng is a good passer and positional kicker along with that real flair. Brough is a intelligent distributor, quick ball runner along with one of the best positional kicking games in the league. I have watched him for his 3 years at Trinity beat teams with his length of kick out of the hand. This continually turned teams around into their own corner flags. Many of our young halves are good ball runners/support players only. This does not cross over to the internationals as we have seen for years.

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Mossop before Bailey, hell I pick LMS, Prescott, Scott Taylor or Liam Watts ahead of Bailey
Brough over McGuire
Atkins over Ablet
McGilivray ahead of BJB
Harrison before Wilkin
If we are picking NZ players for England then Manu over JJB
Westerman not Sinfield as we are better going for a running back rower ahead of an organiser just as Aus (Gallen)& NZ (Blair) do

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Quote: Sesquipedalian "Mossop before Bailey, hell I pick LMS, Prescott, Scott Taylor or Liam Watts ahead of Bailey
Brough over McGuire
Atkins over Ablet
McGilivray ahead of BJB
Harrison before Wilkin
If we are picking NZ players for England then Manu over JJB
Westerman not Sinfield as we are better going for a running back rower ahead of an organiser just as Aus (Gallen)& NZ (Blair) do'"



Whilst I think that Bailey has been playing well, I agree that Mossop should be there above him, and possibly LMS too. I'm also unsure about having both Morley AND Peacock, as they're both getting on and I think we should be blooding some youngsters.
I'd have Brough in over McGuire, mainly as I think he's a better kicker, although I see imagine the starting halves to be Widdop and Chase.
Is Luke Robinson injured or something? I'm a fan of his and thought that he was very impressive in the 4-nations last year.

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Quote: Sesquipedalian "If we are picking NZ players for England then Manu over JJB'"


Cracking point there. Why has Willie Manu not been picked?

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Quote: Steve-O "1 more assist than Brough this year. 7 games less'"


...and five Grand Final winners rings!

McGuire was head and shoulders the best 6 in Super League in 2010 before his injury at Wigan and Sam only ended up getting in the dream team ahead of him at 6 because of the dream team selection rules that meant he could not be selected at full-back.

In 2011 McGuire is still some way off what I think was his best ever personal form season in 2010, and think that both Chase (leaving out any argument of eligibility) and Lomax was the correct choice ahead of McGuire, but with Lomax injured then he certainly is the right choice ahead of Brough, who is in poor form.

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Quote: Sesquipedalian "Mossop before Bailey, hell I pick LMS, Prescott, Scott Taylor or Liam Watts ahead of Bailey
Brough over McGuire
Atkins over Ablet
McGilivray ahead of BJB
Harrison before Wilkin
If we are picking NZ players for England then Manu over JJB
Westerman not Sinfield as we are better going for a running back rower ahead of an organiser just as Aus (Gallen)& NZ (Blair) do'"

Brough I agree with.
Atkins apparently asked not to be picked.
I'd have Charnley above both.
Agree about Harrison.
Since when was Willie Manu from New Zealand?
Year too early for Westerman I feel.

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Broughs form hasn't been good enough! All England fans have asked for is players on form of late, you've got it in this squad yet we still can't win in the minds of some.

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Basically, a fan of club X will ask for player Z from club X to be in over any other.

On that form, I say Diskin, Donaldson, Hargreaves, Scruton, Burgess and Whitehead in over them all! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Brough I agree with.
Atkins apparently asked not to be picked.
I'd have Charnley above both.
Agree about Harrison.
Since when was Willie Manu from New Zealand?
Year too early for Westerman I feel.'"



OK if we're being pedantic Tongan

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Quote: AaronBull "Basically, a fan of club X will ask for player Z from club X to be in over any other.

On that form, I say Diskin, Donaldson, Hargreaves, Scruton, Burgess and Whitehead in over them all!

I haven't suggested a single Wakefield Trinity player!

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FWIW Heighington is an 80-minute player, not a bench option.

Regardless of who is picked, I hope we see more players stand up to be counted - i.e. show what they are capable of. Too many of our SL 'stars' seem to disappear completely against the Aussies in particular.

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Quote: AaronBull "Basically, a fan of club X will ask for player Z from club X to be in over any other.

On that form, I say Diskin, Donaldson, Hargreaves, Scruton, Burgess and Whitehead in over them all!
A couple of those should get in over Ryan Bailey.

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