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He's the best of an awful selection available to us. He's still rubbish though.

I would not mind seeing Myler at 6 outside Broughy for this one. DB will control the kicking game, giving Myler licence to play a bit more off the cuff a bit wider. From what i have seen of Myler he does not seem to be a controlling half, more of a running style player, which would fit in well outside Brough. Myler or McGuire will have to go really well from now to the end of the season to play 6 in the Tri nations though as Widdop seems to be playing really well at the Storm. He leads the line breaks for Melb and always seems to be mentioned in the match reports. Good to finally have options at half back for a change.

Basics win you games if you havent got that then theres no hope.

What does everyone feel is our strongest England 17 when fit and available? I've come up with the below, and still wouldn't be at all confident against either NZ or Aus.

1. Widdop
2. Hall
3. Gleeson
4. Shenton/Yeaman
5. Briscoe
6. Pryce
7. Tomkins S
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Burgess
11. Ellis
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin

14. Morley
15. Peacock
16. Tomkins J
17. (As we have no decent reserve hookers) Sinfield

Probably agree with this.

I'd go, if i had free reign

1. Tomkins
2. Foster
3. Bridge
4. Yeamen
5. Hall
6. Brown
7. Brough
8. Morley
9. Sinfield
10. Graham
11. Peacock
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin

14. Roby
15. Tomkins J
16. Carvell
17. Crabtree

Roby at interchange, Sinfields distribution at hooker impressed me last time and it means having a lot of 5th tackle options and a team full of goal kickers. Foster, Sinfield, Brough, Tomkins and to a lesser extent Bridge and Westwood.

Peacock named as captin

Really? I think we have quite a few hookers who can step up. Robinson and Lunt at the Giants and McIlorum at Wigan probably at the front of the queue plus a host of young hookers coming through (Milner and Clark at Cas and McShane at Leeds to name a few)

Hooker probably England’s strongest position for talent

Apart from the goal kicking (and you state that Sinfield and Brough can kick goals) what do you think Foster brings to the England team that Tom Briscoe doesn’t. For me, Briscoe is the most dangerous outside back England have had since Jason Robinson

I'm no Saints fan so i'll admit i'm limited on what i've seen but he seems dependable with the added option of being a fantastic goal kicker. They are both a little lightweight but we don't seem to do the big wingers as much as our Antip friends.

I’m not sure I would describe Briscoe as lightweight – he may not have the size of Ryan Hall but he is considerably harder to bring down and probably faster too. For me, Briscoe is one of the first names on the team sheet but I guess this is all about opinions

Briscoe looks like our finest winger by some distance to me.

Briscoe is a quality player a must for me.

Oh dear. Do you get off on that thick teenager level of insult? Next time you play a game of rugby why not try out your mickey mouse insults when giving someone some verbals...I am sure they will be deeply moved.

You are clearly incapable of working out the differences in the way K Brown was expected to play under mac and under Nathan Brown. So you cling to your toe curling 'insults'.