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Quote: gutterfax "oh...one more thing.
I am sat in bed watching the WCC on an illegal video feed from the UK........Adverts for soccer, health lottery, fosters, my protien, ladbrooks ap, uncle bens rice..........nothing about the RLWC 2013.

I'd have run a teaser ad for the RLWC........nothing major, just a teaser. There will be a fair few crims watching this game in bars in London......maybe an ad for organised trips to stab city for the Ireland v Aussie game? Maybe a 72 quid Aussie/NZ game pack?'"
How could anyone run a television advert when TV broadcasting rights are yet to be confirmed?

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Quote: headhunter "How could anyone run a television advert when TV broadcasting rights are yet to be confirmed?'"

re-read what I said.....and then see if you feel so clever?
Quote: headhunter "I'd have run a teaser ad for the RLWC........nothing major, just a teaser. There will be a fair few crims watching this game in bars in London......maybe an ad for organised trips to stab city for the Ireland v Aussie game? Maybe a 72 quid Aussie/NZ game pack?'"

adverts to sell TICKETS you ing idiot.........TICKETS.......the subject of this thread.......TICK-FxxKING-ETS!!!!!
Makes little difference who is broadcating the comp......unless you're talking about Enfland "fans".

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Quote: headhunter "
Quote: headhunter "1) I didn't realise threads were marked from the start as 'positive' or 'negative'. Next time someone starts a 'negative' thread, you'll promise not to post an opinion on it, right?'"
Obviously the thread was intended to be a positive one, I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp. This was a thread about encouraging World Cup ticket pre-sales, I think it's pretty obvious that the intention was not for individuals with agendas to talk about how the competition is doomed from the start. Your first contribution was to agree with a troll who claimed that stadia will be 'embarrassingly half-empty'. You haven't expressed an opinion, you and others have hijacked the thread by posting unsubstantiated garbage.
Quote: headhunter "2) "So if you have no criticism of the RFL or the WC preparations up to this point, then why have you made numerous negative posts on a positive thread regarding WC ticket sales?"I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that the tournament will not be a complete sell out, I'm not sure why you or anyone would feel the need to state such an obvious fact especially if you have no real point to make in relation to it. Other than the fact that you seemingly take pleasure in the failings of a sport that you claim to enjoy.
Quote: headhunter "3) "Why did you object to my assertion that empty seats would be the fault of the fans, surely if the RFL have done everything in their power and you still expect there to be empty seats then only one party is to blame for that?" False dichotomy. Has it never occurred to you that NOBODY might be to blame? Why are you obsessed with trying to guess who I'm blaming, or for that matter, blaming the fans yourself?. We are where we are - if you must blame someone for the fact that we probably won't sell-out every ground, where do you want to start? Pick anything or anybody starting with the RFU circa 1895.'"
So you think that a tournament will be 'plagued by empty seats' to the extent that they will have to draft in faux-supporters for free to make up the numbers, yet this is nobody's fault? Not the fault of the RL community who did not support the tournament, not the fault of the organisers who did not promote the tournament well enough etc, simply that the World Cup is doomed to be played in front of 'embarrassingly half-empty stadia' and there isn't anything anyone can do about it, or anything that could have been done to avoid it? Do you realise how backwards that is?'"

Nope, I still don't understand why accepting there could be an issue with something or other and wondering what could be done, has to start with finding "who's to blame?". It seems like an awfully confrontational approach to problem solving.

Can I just confirm, in respect of your first point, that if a thread is "intended to be" a negative one, you promise not to 'troll' it with positive comments? If someone started a thread entitled " worrying ticket sales" for example? No contradictory opinions allowed in the thread? You can't have it both ways.

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I think England may win this World Cup.

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Quote: Buggo "I think England may win this World Cup.'"

They've a chance. 4 to 1 would be fair odds IMO. Whilst not exactly the Lampard/Gerrard debate, my main worry is that we don't try to shape the team to fit the 'best' 13 on the field, putting people out of position. To win it, I think we'll need to upset several 'legends' who'll find that two into one desn't go.

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Quote: gutterfax "Not saying that the tickets as they are wont sell, but as you asked....

No double header in Cardiff..........when Wales v Italy on, there will be about 70,000 empty seats on show.
No double header semi-final.....see above Australia v Fiji willbe played out in front of 80,000 emptyseats....

These 2 events offer 165,000 tickets (33% of the tournament total) and will be LIVE on TV.......that's too many PR eggs in one basket IMHO......the casual observer is what we want to attract to become future fans.....emptyseats don'tcreate astampede.....sold out stadiums do!

Wales v Italy at the Gnoll.......England v Australia at Loftus Road or Craven Cottage, a semi at the KC, the other at the John Smiths stadium......

I'd also have Australia v Ireland and PNG V NZ played at the stoop......where you'd get closer to 30k combined there than you will as it stands. And France v PNG in france.......caravan park doesn't sellout for HKA games for christs sake..


as I say, they may sell out as they are.....but I sincerely doubt it.'"


I see your point, but don't think there will be 70000 empty seats watching Wales. They got 18k watching them at the disaster WC and the second game in that was Lebanon v Cook Islands, not England v Australia. I think while the Wales game will be the opening game of the WC and a lot of England fans will want the home nations to do well a lot of the England fans will support Wales in that game.

I also think you're forgetting that the tournament is mid-season of the Premier League and a lot of football teams don't want RL played on their pitch mid-season. I also don't see how you can call Hull KR for not selling out their games and then call for games at The Stoop in the next breath.

I agree about France v PNG in France though, common sense, definate sell out. Also agree that an advert to the Aussie watchers of last nights game might have done some good, maybe trying to sell the games in London and Cardiff.

On Wembley the thing that I find will and is working is you are sure you will see the teams you want to, a combination (probably) of NZ, Australia, England and another nation, probably the team that people are most excited by the end of the tournament (I think it will be Samoa)

I've just got a good feeling about the tournament, think it's far more exciting than any WC since '95.

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Gutterfax,just because you keep saying the same thing,doesn't make it right.Surprisingly,you are just as likely to be as wrong as anyone else.Ticket sales generally are very good.

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Quote: RLBandit "Nope, I still don't understand why accepting there could be an issue with something or other and wondering what could be done, has to start with finding "who's to blame?". It seems like an awfully confrontational approach to problem solving.

Can I just confirm, in respect of your first point, that if a thread is "intended to be" a negative one, you promise not to 'troll' it with positive comments? If someone started a thread entitled " worrying ticket sales" for example? No contradictory opinions allowed in the thread? You can't have it both ways.'"
No, you're free to post whatever you want, just as everyone else is free to tell you how stupid your posts are. Although if there was a thread that opened with a report about negative ticket sales, I doubt I would go on that thread and repeatedly state that every game will sell out, and call everyone that didn't agree with me deluded 'frogs in boiling water', or whatever you said. Because really, that's a pretty stupid thing to do. The fact that you seem to identify with and take pleasure in negativity is, to be honest, a little strange.

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Quote: gutterfax "re-read what I said.....and then see if you feel so clever?
adverts to sell TICKETS you loving idiot.........TICKETS.......the subject of this thread.......TICK-FxxKING-ETS!!!!!
Makes little difference who is broadcating the comp......unless you're talking about Enfland "fans".'"
So you think that Sky would be willing to promote matches/events that will potentially be featured on a rival network, and that the RFL should have spent money on prime-time TV advertising on a major network for the sake of a few ANZACs who might happen to be watching in bars in London, who if they are RL fans almost certainly already know about the competition? Apart from the fact that I'm pretty sure Sky do not broadcast one-off adverts during sporting events so it's not even feasible. But yeah, I'm sure you know better than the World Cup marketing department who are actually paid to do this job.

FYI, the World Cup has received extensive advertising on commercial radio. Presuming they pick up some of the matches, I'm sure there will be plenty of (free) television advertising on Sky once the broadcast deal is confirmed.

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Quote: headhunter " But yeah, I'm sure you know better than the World Cup marketing department who are actually paid to do this job.'"

not sure about knowledge, but I couldn't have done much worse than them to date... I managed to deliver the largest RL attendance figure in wellington in a generation back in 2010......so I am not acomplete novice by the way.....I do know that the NZRL and NZRU for that matter are very happy with what I do for them.

I repeat.....an advert to sell tickets wouldn't have been a mistake during the WCC

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Quote: gutterfax "not sure about knowledge, but I couldn't have done much worse than them to date... I managed to deliver the largest RL attendance figure in wellington in a generation back in 2010......so I am not acomplete novice by the way.....I do know that the NZRL and NZRU for that matter are very happy with what I do for them.

I repeat.....an advert to sell tickets wouldn't have been a mistake during the WCC'"
It wouldn't have been a mistake, no advertising would be a mistake, that doesn't mean it was suitable or feasible. As for not doing any worse, you are commenting from the other side of the world with pretty much no first-hand knowledge, based on assumptions and comparisons with incomparable events. I'm not saying the marketing and preparations are perfect, I don't know first-hand and neither do you, the proof will be in the pudding in 9 months time. That doesn't mean things are going badly just because you say they are. If the event is a total flop then I'm sure everyone will admit that you were right, but until then I'm not sure why you are trying to pass off your opinions as fact.

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Quote: headhunter " I'm not sure why you are trying to pass off your opinions as fact.'"

where did I do that?
I said that ticket sales were slower than I would expect and that a TV advert pushing ticket sales at ex-pat aussies who would have been watching the game would have been a good idea.
My opinions are not fact and I am not passing them off as such.....you disagree with me, which is fine. Healthy debate needs disagreement.....even if you are wrong icon_wink.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "where did I do that?
I said that ticket sales were slower than I would expect and that a TV advert pushing ticket sales at ex-pat aussies who would have been watching the game would have been a good idea.
My opinions are not fact and I am not passing them off as such.....you disagree with me, which is fine. Healthy debate needs disagreement.....even if you are wrong
The article says that 35,000 tickets have been sold for the WC final. I can't think of any RL match ever that has sold 35,000 tickets nine months in advance, certainly not in this country. Maybe you think that's still an unacceptably low figure and the competition will be a failure as a result, you're entitled to do that, it just seems a little strange and totally out of touch with reality.

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Quote: gutterfax "where did I do that?
I said that ticket sales were slower than I would expect '"


Your benchmarks are wrong. In the last 2 World Cups they hadn't sold 35k for the final with only a fortnight to go, let alone 9 months out. This is progress, Rome wasn't built in a day - all we should be looking for is step-by-step improvement, and that's what this looks like. I remember going to a Union WC game in Gloucester as a kid, and there were only about 8000 there but people were happy at the time.

If we run a persistent, consistent international programme for the next decade, and continue to invest in talent development to give England half a chance, we'll get there eventually. Anything much faster would be fools gold anyway.

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I don't have a problem accepting that's its a marathon not a sprint. In that regard, the absolute numbers worry me a lot less than venue choice. Maybe I'm over sensitive to it but it makes me cringe to look at a sparsly populated stadium on TV when we're trying to portray the best image for the game. Take the 20k at the WCC - brilliant atmosphere, sport comes across as well supported. Now, transfer the exact same crowd to Cardiff, say, and suddenly the game looks badly supported! Image management is massively important in growing our sport. It is far better to pack a tiny venue to the rafters and create a puslating atmosphere. Whilst venue choice is by no means questionable for all fixtures, there's several worrying ones on the WCC list in this regard, some of these have been highlighted by another poster.

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