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| Who actually mentioned anything about merging Batley/Dewsbury or Wakey/Fev?
As far as I can see these four are/would already be competitive in the Championship, and meet the new criteria.
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| and why would Hunslet want to merge with Bramley ?
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| Quote: sanjunien "and why would Hunslet want to merge with Bramley ?'"
That combination was used by me to illustrate a point.
Apart from double funding, I can't see any reason.
Why would Hull want to merge with Gateshead or Huddersfield with Sheffield?
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| Quote: Dreamer "That combination was used by me to illustrate a point.
Apart from double funding, I can't see any reason.
Why would Hull want to merge with Gateshead or Huddersfield with Sheffield?
maybe 130odd years of RL tradition would be a suitable reason for staying independant ? or do you share Henry Fords words that 'history is bunk' ?
Shouldn't anything possible be done to maintain the traditional clubs ?
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| Quote: sanjunien "and why would Hunslet want to merge with Bramley ?'"
they wouldnt,
its a common tactic on these boards, invent a very unlikely and pointless example of something, point out how pointless it would be but ignore how unlikely it is, then pretend you have argued against whatever it was an example of.
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| Quote: sanjunien "maybe 130odd years of RL tradition would be a suitable reason for staying independant ? or do you share Henry Fords words that 'history is bunk' ?
Shouldn't anything possible be done to maintain the traditional clubs ?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "they wouldnt,
its a common tactic on these boards, invent a very unlikely and pointless example of something, point out how pointless it would be but ignore how unlikely it is, then pretend you have argued against whatever it was an example of.'"
Testify brother
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "they wouldnt,.'"
I think you will find that, that is what I said
Quote: SmokeyTA "its a common tactic on these boards, invent a very unlikely and pointless example of something, point out how pointless it would be but ignore how unlikely it is, then pretend you have argued against whatever it was an example of'"
Very clever, but that does not represent what I said or why I said it.
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| Quote: dally messenger "the tigers is a more happy merger but i dare say either balmain or wests could get similar crowds on their own if their finances were good'"
Western Suburbs Magpies highest attendances on average were around 11k (they had one 15k average in 1961, the rest were 8-11k). They dropped as low as 6k on average.
Balmain Tigers are similar. Apart from a brief period in the late 60s where their averages were between 15-19k, they were 8-11k every other year, again dropping as low as 6k on average.
The years leading up to the merger, they were both averaging between 6-10k.
Wests Tigers averaged 12-13k straight away, and now average 17-19k. They average combined what Balmain and Magpies were getting on their own. It's a very successful merger, and neither of these clubs have shown signs since the 60s of getting anywhere near decent crowds on a consistent basis.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "they wouldnt,
its a common tactic on these boards, invent a very unlikely and pointless example of something, point out how pointless it would be but ignore how unlikely it is, then pretend you have argued against whatever it was an example of.'"
A bit different in this instance , as it would seem there is money on offer if 2 clubs decided to do it , we dont know how much money or if any clubs are excempt , but it does make this particular issue more relevant
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| Quote: Starbug "A bit different in this instance , as it would seem there is money on offer if 2 clubs decided to do it , we dont know how much money or if any clubs are excempt , but it does make this particular issue more relevant'"
you say that, but your argument is pretty much destroyed by one question, the same one which i responded to.
Why would Hunslet and Bramley merge?
Answer, they wont so it isnt a useful example.
A more useful example would be the Coventry example given previously, or at a stretch a cumbrian merger with a view to SL which, pragmatically is a little beyond any of the current sides.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "you say that, but your argument is pretty much destroyed by one question, the same one which i responded to.
Why would Hunslet and Bramley merge?
Answer, they wont so it isnt a useful example.
A more useful example would be the Coventry example given previously, or at a stretch a cumbrian merger with a view to SL which, pragmatically is a little beyond any of the current sides.'"
... except the proposals seem to talk about "A club brought about by the amalgamation of two existing clubs in the Championships" and guaranteeing a place in "the Championship" not 'the championships', so Cumbrian sides merging for an SL bid (however unlikely that might be) fits better than clubs outside the current championships clubs merging to enter Championship 1.
I'm sure the feedback on that section will be 'interesting'
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Why would Hunslet and Bramley merge?
Answer, they wont so it isnt a useful example.
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You have taken one line of what I said and either misunderstood or twisted it to suit your views.
I saidThe problem with a merger is that the stronger club tries to retain its identity, ie Hull/Gateshead, Huddersfield/Sheffield.
What would happen if say Hunslet and Bramley merged but played out of the South Leeds stadium? '"
If you go back and actually read the associated posts you will see that the whole point is that a merger in UK RL is not a merger but a takeover, where the stronger (home club) wins and the other clubs fans are disenfranchised.
If you had said to Sheffield fans after their Challenge Cup victory over Wigan, that they would be swallowed by Huddersfield and end up re forming and spend years struggling in the lower leagues they might ask you why..... Quote: SmokeyTA "invent a very unlikely and pointless example of something'"
.... on the other hand they may have used stronger words.
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| Quote: tb "... except the proposals seem to talk about "A club brought about by the amalgamation of two existing clubs in the Championships" and guaranteeing a place in "the Championship" not 'the championships', so Cumbrian sides merging for an SL bid (however unlikely that might be) fits better than clubs outside the current championships clubs merging to enter Championship 1.
I'm sure the feedback on that section will be 'interesting'
It will if the clubs actually understand it , you have to admit , having ' the ' Championship in the ' Championships ' can be a tad confusing at times , if it had been Championship 1 and Championship 2 , things would be a bit clearer
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