No , I dont want Leigh in a franchised SL , the risk of being stuck to the bottom of a league for 3 years is too great for any club IMO , it almost finished Huddersfield off , they only recovered after relegation and promotion

You dont get it do you , it is the system I dont like or believe in , not the clubs in or out of it

About what , HKR's debts or the poor crowds at Huddersfield ?

HKR start work on the next East stand extension this month adding 1100 to the capacity. Planning amendments have been submitted for the new North Stand.

Isn't this really pathetic.

The GAME!!!!! in this country is struggling to keep up with, at this rate PNG , and all the arguments are about loo's seats and about attendances.

I will watch the game at any stadium and any playing field BECAUSE THE GAME IS THE KEY SELLING POINT.

Do people not realise this.

Get the primary right first and the rest will follow, but such a concept seems to be beyond people in this country!

Excellent news , hopefully one day all clubs will be as well run as HKR

Fair points - particularly without the context of what the club has had to deal with, in particular the fact that our local authority were the ones who failed on their promise to deliver a stadium last time. In fact the club had an alternative proposal available to it at the time with a commercial partner, but the council convinced us all that they were intent on delivering the Thornes Park proposal and the commercial opportunity was lost.

The issue about being 'crystal clear' is mis-leading as it suggests that information was with-held to those involved - it was not.

FWIW I don't think the issue relates to whether grounds are completed by Feb 2012 as I think we have already established that there will be more than one in that position, it is more to do with clubs having had significant investments made - either private or public - to promote the game we all love only to be told that the business is not open to them due to the 'other issues' (e.g. expansionism etc).

Seriously - if there is no stadium at all, then that is a fail, but there has to be some reflection of just how difficult this all is in these times of austerity. I take my hat off to any club that get a new ground (or significantly improved existing ground) in these times. As for 'how real' these ventures are - bring on Savills, they will determine if the stadia are real or not and will advise the RFL as such.

So how long do we wait then?
2040, perhaps 2100?
Or perhaps the RFL will say 'you know what we are sick of hearing promises, either Savills will confirm your ground will be ready for Feb 2012 or you will be up for selection as the rest of you application isnt very strong'.
As for another point you have made.
If your financial partners kmew the cut off date and then you missed it how can they in anyway even think about taking the RFL to court?

Oh and BTW I hope Wakey do get the stadium ready.

Look at the post and you may see.

What utter ignorant tripe. Barrow are due to post a £1M turnover and made a six figure profit. The club has never in its' 135 year history been in administration. It has fought down the years through good and bad times, to pay all its' debts and hang onto its' own stadium (we all know its' seen better days), but it's ours and is an asset in prime location worth £5M at the last valuation. The Goldrush lottery run by the club turns over £300,000+ a year.

What does 'fit for SL' mean ? Some people have very short memories or know nothing about the history of the sport prior to Super League.

How would Barrow getting into SL set the game backwards ? Widnes have been there before and failed. As have Leigh. As have Halifax. Cas have been up and down - as have Salford. Quins get pathetic crowds and have no assets - Crusaders similar. Huddersfield were a joke in the 80's/early 90's and look at them now.

Barrow has a big catchment area, the area produces many pro players (currently 7 locals playing for Barrow, 9 for Workington, Ade Gardner, Matt Gardner, Oliver Wilkes, Ben Harrison, Peter Lupton) - plus many young players at various SL club academies. This is without Barrow ever having been represented in SL. If that ever happened, the number of players coming through would increase massively.

OK, the king-makers are Red Hall may never let us in, but it won't be for lack of trying. My view is, give us Sky's millions and 3 years grace and see how we go. Many would be surprised believe me.

Not at all , you are spending your own money to improve your stadium's capacity and therefore eventually your ability to become self sustaining in SL , how many other clubs are doing the same ?

Not much of a ' clue ' there really

Or even a year up to test the water , you then either sink or swim ?