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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"...
At the moment he seems to be choosing to ignore those local small businesses ...
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Is this something you have knowledge on, because I've not seen any information released, or just something you're assuming?
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"He'd have got nothing because HMRC were about to wind the Bradford Bulls up!
That doesn't alter what I said though, a business bought out of Administration has less value than the same business bought as a going concern. I'm not going to get into a stupid argument that a business with zero value can't be even more devalued by Administration.
The main point is that the price was not depressed by the 6 point penalty'"
So increasing the chance of relegation and a big drop in revenue, sponsorship, and attendance does not affect the price. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Yes, I've been telling you this for years, now all of a sudden you agree
RFL = second hand car dealership
RFL leadership = second hand car salsemen'"
Richard Lewis is a vastly superior administrator to Nigel Wood, one was a man prepared to be dynamic and put his head above the parapet, one is desperately scuttling back just claiming it's not my fault guv.
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International Star | 5248 | Wakefield Trinity |
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| Quote childofthenorthern="childofthenorthern"Is this something you have knowledge on, because I've not seen any information released, or just something you're assuming?'"
no which is why I said "he seems".
based on the 6 points not being reduced to 4 as with previous cases where creditors have been paid and also on the lack of any statement suggesting that some creditors have been paid, making it a fair and logical assumption.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"The previous owners debts are dependant on how they were defined, if loans then potentially yes they are, I feel for Mr Khan, the way he has been vilified on here by Bulls fans is a disgrace IMO'"
I'm of the opinion that if Mr Khan chose to run the Bulls by running up debt to him, then that's his choice and any loss to himself is down to his actions. Any other creditors (HMRC, Bradford Council, suppliers) haven't made that choice.
I'm agree he doesn't deserve being vilified for making mistakes.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"So increasing the chance of relegation and a big drop in revenue, sponsorship, and attendance does not affect the price. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.'"
So you agree, he bought ' sold as seen ' knowing full well the consequences, now he wants a warranty?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"So increasing the chance of relegation and a big drop in revenue, sponsorship, and attendance does not affect the price. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.'"
Ding a ling, you're right it has.
Is it fair that Wakefield should suffer a loss of revenue, sponsorship and attendance because of Marc Greens inability to read what it said on the tin when he bought his bargain bucket Bulls club?
The uncertainty created by this ridiculous Force Majeure appeal has had a detrimental affect on a club which has done all it can to behave ethically in the face of much the same issues as the Bulls.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Richard Lewis is a vastly superior administrator to Nigel Wood, one was a man prepared to be dynamic and put his head above the parapet, one is desperately scuttling back just claiming it's not my fault guv.'"
Yes Mr Lewis brought the hugelly successful Celtic Crusaders to SL, well done Richard 
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"So what does Marc Green's business plan say about repaying creditors and what steps has he taken to do so? It's a pointless argument if his stance is, "it was someone else's plan that didn't offer, so I'm going to get this club cheaply and not bother because there is no point".
As has been said, too many people are trying to make it a technical argument when it is simple: administration costs six points unless you pay creditors, and in which case the penalty can be less. Simple as that. He knew it when he bought it.
If he'd said, "can the penalty be reduced if I pay creditors, something that was missing from the business plan that the penalty was based on?", I would have sympathy. If he has repaid creditors, I would have some sympathy. If he is going to, I would have some sympathy. So is he, or is he hiding behind the "it wasn't me, it was them" argument?
And as for the "it didn't matter then because there was no relegation", doesn't it say an awful lot for those clubs who repaid creditors when there was no obvious incentive to do so, and an awful lot for the clubs that don't when there is.'"
Not seen any business plan of Marc Greens so I can't assume he has or hasn't settled with any creditors.
Apparently the Moore/Watt/Calvert plan offered to repay all trade creditors (what was a trade creditors was never publicly defined) over 5 years but the RFL didn't believe the numbers so applied the 6 point deduction.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"So increasing the chance of relegation and a big drop in revenue, sponsorship, and attendance does not affect the price. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.'"
Your sudden concern for the welfare of the creditors is somewhat ironic, because the increased chance of relegation, drop in revenue, sponsorship and all could be lessened if efforts were made to reduce the penalty by doing what? Go on, guess. That's right, repay the creditors.
But then we end up at, "but he isn't obliged to", and we end up where we started.
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| Quote childofthenorthern="childofthenorthern"Not seen any business plan of Marc Greens so I can't assume he has or hasn't settled with any creditors.
Apparently the Moore/Watt/Calvert plan offered to repay all trade creditors (what was a trade creditors was never publicly defined) over 5 years but the RFL didn't believe the numbers so applied the 6 point deduction.'"
If the appeal is based on "these are the efforts made so far, and here is a ring fenced sum to do more, if our survival is made more certain, and we promise to pay", I've no issue with it, as it then boils down to a simple reconsideration. I haven't seen a single post or article or press release that suggests this.
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| Quote childofthenorthern="childofthenorthern"Not seen any business plan of Marc Greens so I can't assume he has or hasn't settled with any creditors.
Apparently the Moore/Watt/Calvert plan offered to repay all trade creditors (what was a trade creditors was never publicly defined) over 5 years but the RFL didn't believe the numbers so applied the 6 point deduction.'"
The Bulls could have had 3 more sets of owners over 5 years, not surprising it wwsnt accepted really
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