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Wrong decision from Briscoe, he should have gone for the line. Then there was the humongous cock up from Sinfield and Yeaman in the first half and Widdop in the second.

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Wrong decision or not he still scored the try, and the ref chose not to award it.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "But he didn't, and Briscoe couldnt even walk in with the line at his mercy. Fair enough the ref got the call wrong, but it should have been scored if it wasnt for his fannying about. Not mentally strong enough to make the correct decision at the time.'"


I do agree that Briscoe should have just put his head down and dived for the corner. But that has nothing to with mental toughness. Besides he scored the try, it.was incompetant reffing that cost him it. I also like how you say "when will we learn he isnt good enough." when hes 21 years old. Theres tonnes of kids older than him been classed as future talents who havnt even made their club debut yet.

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It's a double mistake from the referee, in days of old I could have lived with it but to not go to the video is terrible. It would have taken one look in slow motion for Smith to give it.

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I'm still worried - Despite being confident we'll beat NZ, now - that the team aren't comfortable playing in their opponents 20.

While in a theoretical final against Australia we would play well and match them statistically, we don't seem to have the confidence or composure playing a few metres from their line. We should have dominated Australia today with the opportunities we had, to such an extent that any refereeing decisions would have been irrelevant.

Anyway, we'll be much better for this game and I expect a solid performance and win against the Kiwis.

(I thought we would be trounced this series, for the record)

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I do agree that Briscoe should have just put his head down and dived for the corner. But that has nothing to with mental toughness. Besides he scored the try, it.was incompetant reffing that cost him it. I also like how you say "when will we learn he isnt good enough." when hes 21 years old. Theres tonnes of kids older than him been classed as future talents who havnt even made their club debut yet.'"


Of course it does. If you make the wrong decision it's because you are not strong enough to make the correct one under pressure. Charnely wouldn't have pis$sed about before the line.

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "It's a double mistake from the referee, in days of old I could have lived with it but to not go to the video is terrible. It would have taken one look in slow motion for Smith to give it.'"


What I want to know is couldn't he have simply ignored his earlier call?

There was a game in the NRL this year where a referee called no try, I believe a Wests Tigers game, and then changed his mind and went to the video ref, awarding the try.

I know on paper you shouldn't do that, but I'm surprised the referee didn't.

You know the ref ed up too. He looked like he was gonna cry for the rest of the game.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "Of course it does. If you make the wrong decision it's because you are not strong enough to make the correct one under pressure. Charnely wouldn't have pis$sed about before the line.'"


Charnley wouldnt have continously driven forwards back when carrying the ball or won penalties by getting quickly to his feet either.

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Quote: Bulls4Champs "Of course it does. If you make the wrong decision it's because you are not strong enough to make the correct one under pressure. Charnely wouldn't have pis$sed about before the line.'"


I also thought Briscoe was poor throughout the game and looked out of place. One of the few players I thought had an ordinary game. Will have to see a replay though

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Quote: r a n c i d "I also thought Briscoe was poor throughout the game and looked out of place. One of the few players I thought had an ordinary game. Will have to see a replay though'"



i suggest you do watch the game again, his ball return is one of the best in superleague, compared to the reed/hall partnership, briscoe and yeaman were under used once again

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I suggest you try watching the game without Hull FC glasses on. Briscoe was mediocre and Yeaman was pants.

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The whole team played well, only thing that let us down was goal kicking and the ref. Stop bickering!!

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Quote: number 6 "i suggest you do watch the game again, his ball return is one of the best in superleague, compared to the reed/hall partnership, briscoe and yeaman were under used once again'"


Really? That was one of my main criticisms of him! Thought his ball return was sub-standard and lacking in any sort of confidence of enthusiasm.

I will watch again when sober, but from what I saw after a few drinks his kick returns were woeful and hugely lethargic and ineffective. Granted I might be in the minority. I noticed the commentators hooting and hollering when he ran to the line and made about 5 meters by crabbing across field icon_confused.gif: While I was sat at my TV swearing at him for being

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How was Williams high shot on Westwood any different to Edwards on Clyde or Morley on Kearns?

Should have been sent off and unless we reach the final it will be Wales and NZ who benefit from his suspension which is sod all use to England.

Chase was ineffective again, missed a few vital tackles, turned the ball over to Australia from a naive decision to go for touch on a 20mtr drop out resulting in a try for Austala.

Threw a stupid intercept result, try to Australia.

Referee gave some poor and one eyed decisions agains England, well done Tim Sheens, starting with a harsh penalty early doors on Weswood, penalising Westwood again for a fair tackle on Thaiday, Briscoes no try/try, Yeaman tackled/not tackled etc..

McNamaras pi55 poor decision to exclude Carvell was another factor.

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Quote: retro_muz "The whole team played well, only thing that let us down was goal kicking and the ref. Stop bickering!!'"


We shouldn't have needed to have relied on Sinfield converting the kicks and the referee not being . We had ample opportunity to score 40 points from tries alone. But every time we got into the Aus 20m zone we made an error and handed over possession.

You can't put that inefficiency on the ref or Sinfield. We should have won IN SPITE of those 2 things.

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