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Quote: bamber "the 353 is not actually 243.

one is a peak figure and one is an average figure.

chances are all three figures are more than likely right. like i have posted elsewhere.

my take on it is...

353 is obviously the peak figure

299 might be the average from 8pm kickoff till the game finishes

243 is the average from the start of the program (730pm) till the end (10pm)'"

That's an interesting take on the figures and a perfectly reasonable stab by yourself at explaining away the very awkward discrepancy between the RFL's quoted figure of 353k for the Wigan/Hudds game and BARB's figure of 243k for the same fixture.

But how does the same rationale explain away the RFL's quoted figure of 62k for the Worcs/Leics RU game on BT Sport 1 with BARB's figure of 75k? Surely if the RFL were engaging in a like-for-like viewing comparison, they'd be comparing the peak viewing figure of the SL game on SS1 with the peak viewing figure of the RU game on BT Sport 1?

In other words, if the 75k BARB figure for the Union game on BT Sport 1 is only the average (in the same way 243k was for the SL game on Sky Sports 1) from the start of the program until the end, then surely the average figure during the game itself was also higher and the peak figure even higher than that?

For instance...
The 353k figure is 45% higher than 243k figure.
The 299k figure is 23% higher than 243k figure.

applying the same incremental percentage increases to the RU figures...
75k x 23% "The opening fixture of the 2014 First Utility Super League season smashed all box office records by recording the biggest television audience for a Round 1 fixture in the competition’s 19-year history"[/i...

... the viewing figure for the opening Widnes/Wakey fixture of the 2012 season was 251k according to BARB which is higher than their 243k viewing figure for the Wigan/Hudds opener in 2014. Would it's peak viewing figure also be higher than 353k?

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Despite WE's glee, the viewing figures are
Still fantastic!

Although as another poster said, all 3 figures could be correct!

To blatently ie about another sports viewing figures and indeed their own could land the RFL in hot water. So
I'm pretty certain they are correct.

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Quote: William Eve "That's an interesting take on the figures and a perfectly reasonable stab by yourself at explaining away the very awkward discrepancy between the RFL's quoted figure of 353k for the Wigan/Hudds game and BARB's figure of 243k for the same fixture.

But how does the same rationale explain away the RFL's quoted figure of 62k for the Worcs/Leics RU game on BT Sport 1 with BARB's figure of 75k? Surely if the RFL were engaging in a like-for-like viewing comparison, they'd be comparing the peak viewing figure of the SL game on SS1 with the peak viewing figure of the RU game on BT Sport 1?

In other words, if the 75k BARB figure for the Union game on BT Sport 1 is only the average (in the same way 243k was for the SL game on Sky Sports 1) from the start of the program until the end, then surely the average figure during the game itself was also higher and the peak figure even higher than that?

For instance...
The 353k figure is 45% higher than 243k figure.
The 299k figure is 23% higher than 243k figure.

applying the same incremental percentage increases to the RU figures...
75k x 23% "The opening fixture of the 2014 First Utility Super League season smashed all box office records by recording the biggest television audience for a Round 1 fixture in the competition’s 19-year history"[/i...

... the viewing figure for the opening Widnes/Wakey fixture of the 2012 season was 251k according to BARB which is higher than their 243k viewing figure for the Wigan/Hudds opener in 2014. Would it's peak viewing figure also be higher than 353k?'"


why are you compairing the RFL'S 353 and BARBS 243???

if anything you should be compairing the RFL'S 299 figure with BARBS 243.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: ThePrinter "A peak of 6 million......wow.....only another 22 million to go until they match the 28 million that watched Chelsea vs Leeds in 1970 final.'"

Have you heard of or do you understand the FRAGMENTATION of the media? In 1970 there was probably 1 programme on against it......

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: gutterfax "Have you heard of or do you understand the FRAGMENTATION of the media? In 1970 there was probably 1 programme on against it......'"


Oh no, really?

Now that you mention it I seem to recall something like that being mentioned on previous attendance/viewers threads but it was dismissed by CERTAIN posters as RFL loving excuse making.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: ThePrinter "Oh no, really?

Now that you mention it I seem to recall something like that being mentioned on previous attendance/viewers threads but it was dismissed by CERTAIN posters as RFL loving excuse making.'"


Unless it was me, I fail to see the relevance of the above post. icon_rolleyes.gif

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How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway? From what I've read in various articles etc they are out by 3-5% on a regular basis. I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.

On top of these figures I doubt they take into account pubs and bars that have the games on as you cannot accurately predict the amount of people in each establishment. I am also interested in the figure, is this individual households that had the program on, because you cannot accurately represent the number of people in a household watching a channel. You've also got recorded copies watched later, plus people who stream illegally icon_rolleyes.gif

If you took everything into account the real number would most likely be a lot larger than the figures presented.

...AND FINALLY...from someone I know who works for Sky in their IT department; the BARB cannot track things such as live tv through games consoles accurately and the Sky Go app etc. Therefore I would take anything presented here with a pinch of salt and more importantly I would choose to just ignore "William Eve".

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Quote: bamber "why are you compairing the RFL'S 353 and BARBS 243???'"

Because 353k is the headline figure which the RFL used to compare (in percentage terms) the opening round of SL's viewing figures with Rugby Union and BDO darts.

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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway?'"

Because BARB are the official source for TV viewing figures which drive advertising revenue rates commercial TV companies can earn.

Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.'"

BARB is partly owned and financed by Sky... duh!

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Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway? From what I've read in various articles etc they are out by 3-5% on a regular basis. I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.

On top of these figures I doubt they take into account pubs and bars that have the games on as you cannot accurately predict the amount of people in each establishment. I am also interested in the figure, is this individual households that had the program on, because you cannot accurately represent the number of people in a household watching a channel. You've also got recorded copies watched later, plus people who stream illegally

I was on the BARB panel for two years before I moved house and all you really had was a listening device attached to your Sky box and your tv. We were told each adult represents 10,000 people which each person having a log in letter plus you could add a number of guests. I guess children represent a lower number when they are watching something. Also you are still counted as watching something up to seven days afterwards. They used to announce X Factor etc audiences on a Saturday night in the Sunday papers but the figure will be adjusted in the week for people watching it on catch up.

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "How can we even be sure the BARB are accurate anyway? From what I've read in various articles etc they are out by 3-5% on a regular basis. I would personally take Sky's figure as they will be able to track a lot more accurately the amount of viewers watching there channel.
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Sky can tell what is being watched with a fair bit of accuracy. They can also get a good idea of the make up those watching, How many are watching, what they regularly watch, what platform they are watching through. They have 2 companies set up which not only takes and processes huge amounts of information about their viewers and their viewing habits and how that translates into advertising opportunities and predicted advertising opportunities.

They will, pretty soon, if not now in some cases, be targeting certain advertisements to certain members of the households, at certain times, so you will get a different advert to me, who will get a different advert to an old man in Manchester, who will get a different advert to Willy Eve who will get adverts targeted at middle aged internet trolls.

I can assure you that nobody from Sky is walking in to an advertising sales pitch asking if people want to buy air-time based on BARB figures.

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You are aware that if your Sky box is connected to the phone system then it sends/receives data on a regular basis.

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Official BARB viewing figures now being questioned and taken to task as being inaccurate by the RFL Moonie Massive because they don't tally with the alleged record box-office breaking viewing figures as claimed by the RFL.

Extremely questionable viewing figures by the RFL now ascribed to Sky themselves whose figures must be far more accurate and realistic than anyone else's.

Huge WOW!

You couldn't make this crap up!

Well... you could if you were a member of the unquestioningly loyal RFL Moonie Massive on this forum I suppose icon_lol.gif

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: CodeXIIINotXV "plus people who stream illegally
Aye, usually people who don't go to any live games unless they've blagged a free ticket and are too cheap to pay for a sports channel subscription unless it's heavily discounted to the point where the channel in question probably won't continue showing (N)RL in the future due to lack of subscribers.

Funny thing is, those same people are usually the first to post about low attendance figures, dispute high TV viewing figures and incredibly have the nerve to berate those who take advantage of offers such as discounted WC tickets which enable real fans to take in more games.

You couldn't make this crap up! icon_lol.gif

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The internet age has brought up a generation of users who EXPECT to be able to get everything "free". Most are dumb enough to believe that it actually IS free. Others believe it is their right to download video, films, music etc free and "do not believe" in having to pay for stuff.

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