While the sky grant that goes to sle has gone up The rfl/sle have cut the grant that come down to the CCs,that tells me how important the rfl/sle see the CCs to the devolopement of rl in this country.so i'll say again,its the interests of the CCs that are important to the clubs of the CCs,not the intersts of sle or the international game.

The CCs are what they are mate and nothing is going to change that, unless they change it themselves,so if sle want a feeder legue they need to sort it out themselves.

Wouldn't partnerships between SL and CC clubs see them get more money though (well, "save" money, make more money available)?

They see SL as more important in the development of players (as it's the top league so this is obviously the case). But that doesn't mean they see the Championships as worthless. It's an inferiority complex to believe that.

If there are a group of Championship clubs that would prefer to be stand alone then that's fine. That's their choice. If there are a group of Championship clubs that would prefer the help of being in a partnership then they currently don't have that choice. I think it would be better that they all play together if they're of a similar standard rather than separate and essentially weaken both competitions.

No it wouldn't,it see even more money being cut from the sky grant leading to a loss of independence.

Which is what iv'e been try to tell you.it sle job to make sl standard players and as a consequence,international standard players. the rfl/sle see grass roots and sle as being far more important than the CCs so If inferiorty complex and fact mean the same thing then i agree with you.

There are a number of yorkshire clubs that might feel they would be better off being feeder clubs[someone should try asking them].Then theres gatehead,sws, skolers,hemel stags,bristol sonics,coventry bears,crusaders,theres league wellsy,get on with it.

If SL clubs want to enter into formal agreements with Championship clubs they already can , to the tune of several season long loans and up to 4 DR players , if the RFL thought it would be beneficial to go further than that , I'm sure they'd happily change the rules , the reason they haven't so far I'd guess is the SL clubs don't want it , and the Championship clubs don't want it

It was you who brought football into the situation , not me , I didn't include the 2 NRC games , but also didn't include lots of other games the FL teams play

You believe what you want , you haven't a clue what is going on below SL , you keep on believing the bollox that comes out of Red Hall , I'm glad Nigel is so excited , at least somebody is , because I can tell you for certain , nobody down here is , the RFL haven't a clue how to deal with the Championships , this year has been a farce , they announced an expansion and re structuring before they'd had any actual clubs apply to join , they've finally realised that Toulouse were a mistake , and yet they are now considering an Anglo French competition , how thick are they ?

No contradiction on the TV deal from me , they either pay for it , or it doesnt get shown , and that includes the finals as well

How much do clubs get from Sky (or did)?
And why would this lead to cuts from it?


You're not making much sense there. You're just pedalling your opinion as fact when it isn't. The inferiority complex is that you think the RFL don't care about them.

The fact that international players can come from any league means it's the games responsibility. The fact that the majority come from the top league is a consequence of the standard of the players produced in the game finding their way to the top, not the other way around. There were internationals before SL you know.


There already are a number of SL clubs that partner with CC clubs. It's not a case of asking them, it's a case of not being allowed to do so much.

Your last sentence doesn't really make any sense.

100k down to 90k.
We already deal with sl clubs we dont need partnerships.Partnerships would lead to feeder clubs which is what you want and i dont, or is that to difficult for you to understand.
Yes its my opinion,but then i'm down here looking at whats happening whilst your in yor ivory tower with your head in the clouds,spouting crap on a mb.
They dont find there way to the top,sl clubs find them and give them professional contracts.
Yes and there was a game for all before sl dont you know.
Did it make no sense because it didn't fit your agenda.

Right, so the CC clubs get £90k from the RFL for doing what may I ask? SL clubs get money from a contract from Sky to host their games. They have value to Sky, so get paid for it. The fact that the RFL give money to CC clubs (a rather substantial amount altogether) means that the RFL clearly do care about them. You JUST said in your other post that the RFL care more about grassroots than the the CC clubs. How much do they get and why?

You saying you don't wanting feeder clubs is not an argument anymore than me saying I want them. I understand you (and others) may not want them. I also understand that myself and others want them and think they'd be beneficial. Comments like "us being down here" and "you in your ivory towers" are the exact reason for the inferiority complex comment. The personal snippy comments because I disagree with you are also completely unnecessary.
The reason I'm questioning your opinion so much is because you said if clubs want to become feeder clubs they should play in a new league. You don't seem against the idea of them being feeder clubs, but against the idea of them being in the same league and I don't understand why. I know you don't want your club to be one, but if the clubs you suggest became feeder clubs (basically all the expansion ones and some Yorkshire ones), then there won't be many semi-pro clubs left in your stand alone league. Would you prefer your club to be in a stand alone league of about 10 clubs? Sounds very much like a big fish in a small pond.

Top players find their way to the top. They work hard, perform well and earn contracts at SL clubs. The SL clubs scout them, but the player puts himself in the window with his work. It's a combination of the two. Top players find their way to the top.

And your last sentence made no sense because it wasn't written well.
"Then theres gatehead,sws, skolers,hemel stags,bristol sonics,coventry bears,crusaders,theres league wellsy,get on with it."
"There's league Wellsy, get on with it". What's that meant to mean?

And can you explain why you've listed a bunch of expansion clubs? And why you think "some Yorkshire clubs" would want to be feeder teams? What club is it you support out of interest?

You want the CCs to become feeder leagues,yes? then go and ask the owners,shareholders/stakeholders if they want there clubs to become such clubs,if the answer is no then go and start your own feeder league and leave these clubs alone.its not hard is it.

It doesn't work like that though, does it?

Why ask them if they aren't allowed to become feeder teams?
If they say no, then how are they going to start their own feeder league with no clubs? It would just be the current situation under a new name.

Why didn't you answer any of the questions?

I haven't read them i really cant be d.

Because quite simply , you haven a clue what you are discussing , the club you support is now happily settled in SL , it has a bright future as an established strong club

But you are trying to tell clubs that don't have what yours has how they should operate , and you're telling the fans of those clubs how they should ' feel ' about it

If enough clubs asked the RFL about it , I'm sure they would change the rules to allow it , the fact they haven't suggests there isn't the interest

We have a split game at professional level , you will suggest we don't , but ask the people down here and they will tell you different , you just get on and enjoy SL , you haven't a clue how things are or how we feel about things

Or perhaps they haven't thought about it? Or clubs haven't thought about it? Or it hasn't necessarily been needed in the past? And before you say it, just because they haven't thought about it doesn't mean it isn't worth doing.

The fact that it is football isn't what made your comment obscure. It's the fact that you're comparing two completely different quantities of things. They could both play the same amount of games and it would still be an obscure comment because they both have completely different turnovers, expenses, etc.
I don't disagree with the fact that CC clubs need to play more games (in fact I agree). It's just you can't compare it to football. It's ridiculous to think that football playing x amount of games is some kind of barometer to the number of games an RL club should be playing.


You may see what's "going on" but it doesn't mean you understand it. You're cynical. You complain about everything and no matter what the RFL do for your league you'll still complain about it. I believe the RFL can do more for the Championships. I also believe they can do more for everything. But I also believe that everyone can do more for everything. That isn't a reason to complain. That's life. There's always room for improvement.

I will believe what I want. And you can believe what you want. I don't have to believe that you are the voice of the fans of the Championship because you aren't. "Nobody down here is excited" is a complete and utter lie. It's again trying to use an extreme to put your point over.

And what has an Anglo-French competition got to do with Toulouse's experience in the Championship? The fact that one French club played an entire season against English clubs in a league with a smaller salary cap than in France is not the same as 4 French teams playing a few weeks against English clubs. The sad thing is, you want it to fail to prove you're right, and that's why you're a cynic.

Your comment on the TV deal was a HUGE contradiction. You used it in an argument to suggest why the Championships were on their knees when before you said the fact that it was on Sky hurt it. Whether they pay for it or not is irrelevant to this point. They didn't pay when it was on Sky, and they aren't paying when they're on Premier Sports. But you've gone from saying that clubs lose revenue due to the exposure on Sky to the Championships are on their knees due to being moved from Sky to a lower profile channel. You can't have it both ways and the fact that you can't explain this comment means you know it.

So how do you know what you're replying to if you haven't actually read the post?
I think you have read them, but don't have an answer.

Any club director that announced their club was to become a feeder club might as well just pack in , their fan base wouldn't stand it

As I said YOU started the football analogy , not me

I don't care what they do for anybody else , I only care about the Championships , and their recent record is abysmal

You speak to Championship fans and club officials on a regular basis , do you ?

Because I do , and they are all very unhappy with the way things are going and the ideas the RFL are coming up with