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Quote: wakey_saint "James Roby has been by far the best hooker in SL this year and has played consistently well for 80 mins each game. He has also performed well for England and therefore think he will be the 9 for England and any others will be as cover just in case he picks up an injury'"

Of course – we are talking about the Roby backup

Despite Roby being able to put in an 80 minute stint, I would personally have a player like Robinson (or Burrow) on the bench as he can mix things up a bit and spell Roby who can have two fresh spells. Also there is cover for the half back spots as well

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i still think sinfield is the best man for that job

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With regards to our centres, I'd go Atkins and Yeaman.

With regards to Joel, he WILL be the country's top centre in time but at the moment he's still learning the position. Something I'd like to see him working on is to stop running Charnley out which leads to an inside ball on a high number of shift plays on their side.

Also, I don't see the hype with regards to Cudjoe or any other Huddersfield three quarter & wing. They're the positions that have let Huddersfield down this year IMO.

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Quote: ABP' "With regards to Joel, he WILL be the country's top centre in time but at the moment he's still learning the position. Something I'd like to see him working on is to stop running Charnley out which leads to an inside ball on a high number of shift plays on their side.
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I was going to disagree with you but I saw that you put the word will in capitals so you must be right

Anyway, Joel Tomkins is 24 years old and there is nothing to indicate that his game will get significantly better than it is now. He has played out a full season in the centre and as you say he still has weaknesses in his game both in attack and defence. He hasn’t improved in that department throughout the year under the coaching of Maguire unlike Atkins (23 years old) who’s game has significantly improved this year under Smith

If we want athletic centres to take on the Southern hemisphere then Atkins and Watkins are the best bet for me

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Watkins would get torn apart out there!

It will be a choice between Atkins, Bridge and Yeaman for me.

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Quote: Dunbar " If you have been tried and failed at international level then you deserve to be left out'"


I hope that comment wasn't aimed at Burrow, given the one time he got three games in a row at international level he was man of the series in a GB win?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "I hope that comment wasn't aimed at Burrow, given the one time he got three games in a row at international level he was man of the series in a GB win?'"

It wasn’t no. I was using it to back up the point that Robinson has been tried and succeeded

I mentioned a choice of Robinson or Burrow in may post above and I would be happy with Burrow off the bench in the Four Nations, he adds some spark to the attack and is in good form but I feel that Robinson is the incumbent, did well down under last year and deserves to keep his place

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Don't know weather its been mentioned but i cant be bothered reading 10 pages, but as a Salford fan who sees Jodie Broughton play week in week out he deserves a chance the guy is a outstanding.

If Jodie was in a top 4 squad he would be first choice without a doubt he shi!ts on Atkins

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I dont but into this "tried and tested so they shouldnt get another shot" business. Whats to say said players berent too young or not as good as they are now at the time? Players develop, some keep developing until they are in their 30's. If they are playing well enough NOW, let them have another crack.

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Quote: The Original Red Devils "If Jodie was in a top 4 squad he would be first choice without a doubt he shi!ts on Atkins'"


He was. They released him because he wasn't good enough to get in their side ahead of some good young British outside backs they've got already.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He was. They released him because he wasn't good enough to get in their side ahead of some good young British outside backs they've got already.'"



He still wouldnt get in either, but he is a very good player... you cant keep them all.

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Quote: Harrigan "He still wouldnt get in either, but he is a very good player... you cant keep them all.'"


If he wouldn't get in to the Leeds side ahead of three England eligible wingers (Jones-Bishop, Hardaker and Hall) then he's probably not going to get into the England side. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Andy Gilder "If he wouldn't get in to the Leeds side ahead of three England eligible wingers (Jones-Bishop, Hardaker and Hall) then he's probably not going to get into the England side.

I agree totally. He's better than the 2nd person mentioned at the moment purely on experience but id take Hall and BJB over him any day. I keep saying of all the players Leeds lost, Gibson is the one i'd still love at Leeds. When he's fit he's one of the best English centres around. Sadly the word when is used a lot. A fit Gibson and Watkins at Leeds would be as good as any around IMO.

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Gibson is quite frankly shi*t. I still disagree Broughton wasn't given much of a chance at his previous clubs granted there must of been a reason for that but I still honestly feel he is better or certainly as good as than Atkins/Hall and would score just as many in a tem like Warrington/Leeds. Just my opinion.

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