Yes, it proves you are arrogant.

Saddest thing is, if he'd have just done the kiss and said nothing people would've still done the mock outrage homophobe thing on here.

Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"Jaimie Peacock to James Child If the RFL can pretend this didn't happen youtu.be/k6DlJ4unN9E Then they can certainly ignore this one as well https://vine.co/v/OBWHP9uvxvF'" Just watched Hardaker video and I'm unsure as to what he said so unless you are a lip reading expert then how on earth can you say for sure what he said ? Or do my eyes need testing? Definitely a case of taking someone on past reputation. Much a do about nothing if you ask me.

Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"Jaimie Peacock to James Child If the RFL can pretend this didn't happen youtu.be/k6DlJ4unN9E Then they can certainly ignore this one as well https://vine.co/v/OBWHP9uvxvF'" Just watched Hardaker video and I'm unsure as to what he said so unless you are a lip reading expert then how on earth can you say for sure what he said ? Or do my eyes need testing? Definitely a case of taking someone on past reputation. Much a do about nothing if you ask me.

Why is it mock rage????



There maybe a higher proportion of RL internet users that are of the homosexual persuasion. Therefore a higher proportion that you would expect to be offended.



I certainly have not done a demographic of the RL population.



So long as you ain't from Wigan your alright in my book.

Why would homosexual people be seemingly automatically outraged?



The gays and bisexual people I know, if I showed them the clip of Hardaker from Friday and said he's called another player a puff they'd either laugh/dismiss or be offended at me for thinking that would bother them.



Homosexual people have to battle much more serious and tougher issues regarding discrimination than to worry and get upset about a rugby player shouting that out in the middle of the match. Anybody who thinks they would be are treating them with kids gloves and THAT would offend them more from my experience than what Hardaker MAY have said.

So there is not a range of people.



They all conform to people you know.



Interesting.



Can we base all surveys on people you know.

Great another witch hunt thread on no actual evidence just opinion of people lip reading when you can't even see his lips at the end of what he said. If I could be bothered I would look through most televised game and see something that might or might not have been said.

Hardaker made a mistake erlier in the year which he admitted to, and so the witch hunt begins and because he has done it once is accused of something because of what he did previously with no evidence to confirm it. Which for me some have been on shaky ground re defamation of character etc

Hasn't Hardaker admitted to saying it, if so there's no need for lip reading

Exactly, there is a range of people that was the point. Not just the "all homosexuals will take offence", popular consensus on here seemed to be that they'd ALL fall under the offended banner.....reality is the wouldn't.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

It's a disgrace.

Maybe Leeds should just issue him with an anti vine device before he takes the field.



Gaffer tape will take on a whole new meaning.

Or maybe people could just watch the games and not go looking for a reason for a witch hunt. I must admit I missed the faux outrage thread on here when Ryan bailey was allegedly the victim of racial abuse in a WCC. What all the players clearly complained to the ref about but nothing said after? Or are we just concentrating on a zac witch hunt?

No he hasn't unless you can confirm otherwise.

Bloody hell, the world really is going soft! I'd blame it on the new generation but I'm only 24 myself and we used far worse language than this when we were pre-teens.



At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what he said. Words are meaningless really. What matters is the intent behind the words. Is Mark gay and was Zak trying to deride him for being so? No. He was annoyed at something that had just happened and vented his frustration. We all do it. Grow up.



And I'm a Saints fan if it matters...

Very well put, A case of the world gone mad. Are people really homophobic in this day and age? We all say things in the heat of the moment that we don't mean but like I've said before I think he is being ostracised for something he hasn't done (again).

Even if he has said what is claimed I've been around rugby fans of all clubs long enough to know that they really don't give a s**t about the words "puff" "queer" "fag" to be offended by them when they hear their mate say them in the pub or another fan in the stand. When you consider the obscene language you hear from fans in the ground at matches I also don't buy the "role model for kids" excuse.



Oh yeah, a lip reading that an 8 year wouldn't have even seen first time until pointed out on a Vine is worst than the constant foul language ALL teams fans shout out for 80 minutes every game. Give me a break.



Kids are more than likely to copy hundreds of fans shouting the referee is a wa**er every home game more so than a 3 second clip of a player that could be saying "puff"

Yeah they were great days, fortunately RL became a family game and many more women and young children watch it. They watch it on TV too and although I've rated Zac very highly since his Fev days this is not a good example to be setting. Nor is it very good for the sky sound system to be picking up the Leeds fans opinion of the refs sexual preferences.

He is a professionsl sportsman who is paid to represent his club and the sport, which includes commercial sponsors and media partners.



Anyone who used those words in the workplace would be reprimanded. More so if in the public eye.



PS the Leeds club should also be pulled up over the abusive chanting. It sounded awful on TV.

Why, what has he done (in your opinion)?

Brought the game into disrepute. Again.

Brought the game into disrepute. Again.

Really? How?

Back in the 80's people used to think it was ok to hurl abuse and various objects at players who didn't have white skin.

Lots of people though this was ok but, it wasn't and thankfully our culture (in most cases) has moved on.



How would you prevent homophobic calls and chants or, is it really ok ???

Pathetic. You cant tell what he says but so what if he did say it. have none of you ever played rugby. Players call each other all the time.



Calling someone a f***ing puff doesn't make you homophobic.



Unless the player it was aimed is actually gay then I doubt he will have lost any sleep over it