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Quote: RLBandit "My issue with the playoffs is not specifically that a team can win it from 5th. It's simply that fans have voted with their feet for all expect the GF. The season-ticket thing is a red-herring - if people cared that much, they'd buy a ticket - they don't.

Hopefully we're wrong, but I think quite a lot of us are concerned about the effect of the last two years on interest in the regular season. ( Last year was seen as a 'freak', now I wonder if people will really start to think that the League doesn't matter all that much ).

A 'champions league' would go a long way to fixing this problem - making top 4 (and your position in it) really important, especially if the top two European teams got 3 and 4 from the NRL in their group. But it's not going to happen of course.

Next best I think is the original top 5 system.'"


Top 6 , every game has a definate meaning , either qualification for the GF or elimination , and no team misses more than 1 week without a game

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//www.pngnrlbid.com [quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35] [quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]:



Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "There's only one of us pretending here mate. I've said it was hard but not hard enough. It's there in black and white so besides making a tit of yourself what are you trying to achieve?

Oh dear, so now you think I've said it should be easier to win from 5th? No wonder you're having trouble keeping up. Im embarrased for you.

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Quote: Starbug "Top 6 , every game has a definate meaning , either qualification for the GF or elimination , and no team misses more than 1 week without a game'"

Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.'"


Omg - what an unspeakable tragedy that would have been!

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.'"


This season perhaps , but then why not have a top 10 , or 12 ?

The more clubs you have in the play offs , the more you dilute what you are trying to achieve , a balance is what you are looking for between retaining interest and having a worthwhile prize

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Im embarrased for you.'"

Of course you are. The lack of any substance in your reply suggests the penny may have finally dropped and you've realised nobody is falling for your attempts to tell others what their arguments are just so that you can argue against what you've made up. c020.gif

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Quote: Starbug "This season perhaps , but then why not have a top 10 , or 12 ? '"
Why not? there is an argument to do so. It probably doesnt hold much water but it is there.
Quote: Starbug "The more clubs you have in the play offs , the more you dilute what you are trying to achieve , a balance is what you are looking for between retaining interest and having a worthwhile prize'"
Yes, there is a balance, and thats the balance we are trying to achieve. I think half-way is an easy balance, most people's points seem to be about teams losing more than they win, or teams finishing in the bottom half qualifying, which is understandable. I would prefer if we did have half way as our cut off point, but top 7 systems are largely rubbish.

I think this is all a bit redundent really, the size of the league will change, and so will the play-offs. I think at either 16 or 18 teams we will split to conferences, with top 4 in each conference playing.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Of course you are. The lack of any substance in your reply suggests the penny may have finally dropped and you've realised nobody is falling for your attempts to tell others what their arguments are just so that you can argue against what you've made up. You can hide behind whatever frame you want to put your argument in, its transparent, you arent as subtle as you think you are.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "
Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Im embarrased for you.'"

Of course you are. The lack of any substance in your reply suggests the penny may have finally dropped and you've realised nobody is falling for your attempts to tell others what their arguments are just so that you can argue against what you've made up.
Having read this entire thread, I can confirm that SmokeyTA is completely correct in stating what he has. Who can blame him for no longer wishing to engage with such obvious, bitter drivel.

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[quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap] [quote="NickyKiss":1th0f7ap]As a fan Wane makes you want to run through a brick wall so you can only imagine how he makes the players feel![/quote:1th0f7ap] [url=http://twitter.com/#!/theegw:1th0f7ap]@TheEGW[/url:1th0f7ap] [url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsnX1esHN2wkEC1FxcO2TCg:1th0f7ap]YouTube Channel[/url:1th0f7ap]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44920.png



Quote: SmokeyTA "You can hide behind whatever frame you want to put your argument in, its transparent, you arent as subtle as you think you are.'"

Hiding behind a frame? Er... ok pal! Frankly, the idea that my argument is one thing but I'm pretending it's something else is about one of the most bizarre claims I've seen on an internet forum. I mean why wouldn't I just present my real argument instead of this so-called fake argument? Bizarre! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Dave Lister "Having read this entire thread, I can confirm that SmokeyTA is completely correct in stating what he has. Who can blame him for no longer wishing to engage with such obvious, bitter drivel.'"

...and log out... now log back in... job done. eusa_shhh.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.'"



Thats the problem, superleague is dumbed down to keep 5th to 8th ticking over, where quantity displaces quality.
Should be top 3 in my opinion, top straight to final 2 v 3 for the other final spot.
It just might mean the 27 games might be more competitive, create a minor trophy play off for 4th to 8th if the RFL are clever enough to convince Sky.
Bring back credibility to league position.

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Mummy duck is now thoroughly depressed. SHE was the one that was famous for losing five in a row........until the 2011 GF!!!!!:



Quote: OFFTHECUFF "No offence but Champions should be the consistent team through the season and who are top.Imagine Liverpool winning champions tag from 5th?'"


How many teams qualify for the CHAMPIONS league?

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Mummy duck is now thoroughly depressed. SHE was the one that was famous for losing five in a row........until the 2011 GF!!!!!:



Quote: SmokeyTA "Top 6 would have been decided about a month before the end of the season. It would have left us with 4 rounds where 8 teams had nothing to play for.'"


Well maybe the teams who aimed for a "top 8 " spot would try a little bit harder. I agree with a top 6 format. REAL reward for aiming for the top (one game from GF or you have to lose 2 in a row to be out).

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Just a bit of fun working out all the win ratios during the regular season from the eventual grand final winners:

1998 Wigan 91.3% (1st)
1999 St Helens 76.6% (2nd)
2000 St Helens 82.1% (2nd)
2001 Bradford 78.5% (1st)
2002 St Helens 82.1% (1st)
2003 Bradford 78.5%) (1st)
2004 Leeds 85.7% (1st)
2005 Bradford 64.2% (3rd)
2006 St Helens 85.7% (1st)
2007 Leeds 66.6% (2nd)
2008 Leeds 77.7% (2nd)
2009 Leeds 77.7% (1st)
2010 Wigan 81.4% (1st)
2011 Leeds 55.5% (5th)
2012 Leeds 59.2% (5th)

For some perspective - Warrington finished with a 81.4% winning ratio in 2011, and Wigan finished top this year with a ratio of 77.7%

Q/ Did Bradford winning it from 3rd in 2005 cause much uproar?

(edit: thanks judd)

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