I assume it is reference to the film ' Smokey and the bandit ' with the star car being a Pontiac Trans Am

And one day you will realise that rantings are that of a pathetic and bitter old man who was so stuck this game, and the rest of the world, left him behind.

That is really tragic if that is the case!!!

Unless he is about 10 of course.


I used to like that car too. But then when I hit puberty the novelty sort of wore off a bit.

really its not. i find my VT experience to be much more pleasent now i have embraced the ignore setting.

It certainly does clear things up a bit doesn't it

I'm all for a bit of banter but some of the stuff you read on here is just wholly unnecessary in my opinion.

Anyway. I'm off to the pub!!

They may have been publicly stated as the reason by Moss and Roberts, but if you believe that then you are even more niaive than you appear on here.

In fact, the administrator's report into the business stated that slightly less than 50% of the total debt was accrued in South Wales, with the rest being run up in one season at Wrexham.

But that means, even by your calculations, that Crusaders were carrying about twice the amount of debt they would have had they gone bust and come out of administration as Crusaders in Wrexham. To say double the amount of debt wouldnt make a huge difference to Crusaders ability to operate when they moved is crazy.

The fact is, the move to Wrexham is counted as equivelant to Crusaders administration yet they received none of the benefits of going into administration. Benefits that if they had received would have made a fundamental difference to whether or not they would have gone into administration when in Wrexham. That is why it is unfair to count the same problems twice.

Hi Smokey, rather than going deeper and deeper into stuff, the original point was, and presumably still is, your assumption that it’s pathetic wanting a rival club to fail, to save your own.

I think your stance is very commendable, maybe if my club was as successful as yours, I too would probably have a similar viewpoint, however, you can pontificate all you want, if you were to ask a cross section of supporters whether they would happily see another club in the mire, to protect their own, the yes vote would be overwhelming.

I’ve never (in forty years) seen my club win anything of importance, whereas you have probable seen the lot, the feelings of elation you have felt, well, I can only dream. But the feelings of despair, both with on-field disappointments & winding up orders, you haven’t got a clue.

Well Its only a postulation IA but grossly unfair to highlight of one of the handful only of clubs never to go bust. Yes 100 years of paying debts, bringing through stars of the past and present, a club which has lived within its means, gaining respect on how well its affairs have been handled through the years - a club not without success but agreed it is some time ago. So - why deny them the opportunity to function in their spanking new stadium in an area with a drawing power of maybe 2 million Northerners. Keep postulating matey.

As a leeds Utd fan ive seen enough disappointment and winding up orders, and despair to last a lifetime. But i never wished to see another club go through what we have.

Of course it would DA.That's if everybody answered honestly.You will always get one or two bullters saying they would happily have their club step aside 'for the good of the game' but that's all they are,bullters.It's only human nature to want the best for oneself,even if it's at the expense of another.When a person goes for a job along with another dozen candidates does he/she hope that the best person gets the job for the good of the company or they themselves get the job?

Sadly a lot of workshy layabouts who earn more money on the dole than they would in a job (but have to attend interviews or their benefits get cut) definately hope the former.

That's not a nice thing to say about the team that run the RFL.

Firstly, a bit of advice, you really need to shake off that inferiority complex that so many Salford fans unfortunately have... I don't think Salford are in any way inferior, so why do you?

Secondly, it is grossly unfair to take my post totally of out context (although I suspect you could not help yourself... see above) or possibly you failed to read the full exchange between Smokey and I (and to be fair, I would let you off if that is the case)? Lets just assume that you just didn't understand the context of my post as I think that is most likely the reason for your highly defensive reply.

In respect of the current franchising process then it might surprise you to hear (although, if you had read some of my other posts on the VT on Salford then it wouldn't be a surprise at all) that I think Salford should be 100% granted a franchise and if I had to 'rank' them, certainly way ahead of Wakefield, Castleford, Quins, Crusaders. The main reasons being that they have been around for a very long time but most importantly they (well Salford Council and Peel) have invested in delivering a new stadium and it would be more than grossly unfair to deny them a franchise given this and the emphasis that the current regime at the RFL (rightly of wrongly) have placed on this element of the applications.

I also don't know if you purposely meant to further back up my argument as to why Wakefield should be given a franchise ahead of Crusaders (the thing I have been arguing about) but if you take out the 'never gone bust comment' then don't you and Wakefield sound a lot alike?

I postulated this scenario to Smokey to highlight is anti-Wakefield bias and not put Salford down and he duly obliged in his, yet again, p1ss poor reply below -



You see the thing is Smokey thinks that Wakefield should go ahead of Crusaders, where I believe Crusaders should not be given another licence and that the RFL should start again, with the hindsight gained, with a longer term strategy to work on getting the South Wales Scorpions (or it's successors club) into SL. You see, that was the RFL's idea was is it not, to get a SL in South Wales... otherwise, why didn't the RFL start a team up in Wrexham in the first place... of was this the 'Baldrick-esque' cunning plan all along?

Finally, the massive main point of my postulation, that you totally missed, was in actual fact, despite Salford being the poorest team on-field in the SL era (sorry, matey hate to break this to you... this is true!) that even if they had not got Salford council to build them a nice new stadium I still think they should be given a licence and Crusaders not!

Whoops! ?

So you made an argument you didnt believe, then attributed it to me, then argued against it, then pretended you had argued against my argument? par for the course really.

If you take out the not going bust, getting a new stadium and access to a potential support base of 2million people which leaves 'a club not without success but agreed it is some time ago' but yes, that probably does sound a bit like Wakefield.

So hang on. You agree (even though strangely it is your example of a club that should be in trouble) that Salford are different, have more going for them, and even you think they arent and shouldnt be in trouble because of what they have managed but to say so is a poor reply?

Whilst i do, I havent said so anywhere on this thread, it wasnt and still isnt my argument, It is your attempt again to attribute something to me which I havent said, because you are trying to change the argument to cover up for what you know to be your pathetic death riding of another club so you can carry on licking the ass of the Wakefield fans and you can continue to feel special Why? What good would writing off everything achieved up to now and alienating the current fanbase do, just to start over all over again?The RFL didnt set up Crusaders. Why does it make a huge difference to you if the SL club for Wales is in North Wales instead of south?